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  • "We evolved mostly from vegis" - Doing the Math

    There's one thing I wonder about when people say "Paleolithic people were mostly plant eaters with only very small amounts of meat"; have these people ever done the math? It just doesn't seem mathematically possible. What am I missing?

    Have any of you ever eaten all the green/red vegetables you are able in a day and logged exactly how many grams of carbs you are getting? I have, and never made it much past 100g without cheating and incorporating a sweet potato or fruit. I suppose on a bet I could maybe hit 150g, but frankly at that point one's jaw gives out. It's truly exhausting.

    And after consuming those 150g of carbs from lettuce, cucumber, broccoli, carrots and celery you only get 600 calories (minus all that energy you spent eating and digesting them!). It's enough to sustain yourself, until the next kill. But to thrive on vegi alone you would need to eat way more.

    Some anthropologists say paleo man may have eaten 3000+ calories. Yet there are people who keep saying it was plant based? You would have to eat 750g of vegetable based carbs in order to sustain yourself!!! Have any of you ever actually achieved that? I would like to know.

    My question is simple; do these numbers make sense? Is it even humanly possible?

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    Originally posted by KimchiNinja View Post
    What am I missing?
    Originally posted by KimchiNinja View Post
    I have, and never made it much past 100g without cheating and incorporating a sweet potato or fruit.
    Originally posted by KimchiNinja View Post
    My question is simple; do these numbers make sense? Is it even humanly possible?
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    • #3
      Green and red vegetables? Sweet potato cheating?

      They ate anything edible they could find. That probably included lots of roots and tubers. Green vegetables would have been available mostly in the spring and they probably ate lots during that period. Don't most of us hunger for salads in the spring? Fruit would have been seasonal. But, anyway, they didn't eat very small amounts of meat. However, lots of the "meat" they ate may have been stuff like bugs.
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      • #4
        You're assuming the small selection of modern plant foods we have avaible to us in the supermarket today resemeble the plant foods available over 10000 years ago. Native Australians used to eat well over 500 different plant foods, many which are extremely differnet macro and vitamin/mineral content of anything you'll find in stores.

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        • #5
          I watched a presentation about how paleo man may have gotten up to 35% of their cals from fished foods, that makes more sense to me than anything else. 35% fished,35% gathered, 30% hunted. I know for a fact that's how most of my native American ancestors lived and thrived.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by WeldingHank View Post
            I watched a presentation about how paleo man may have gotten up to 35% of their cals from fished foods, that makes more sense to me than anything else. 35% fished,35% gathered, 30% hunted. I know for a fact that's how most of my native American ancestors lived and thrived.
            This sounds about right. I'm no archeologist, and the methods to analyze paleolithic environment and probable diets is continually being updated. The anthropological data on modern day hunter gatherers tends to shed the most light for me. And in this group vegetables make up a vary small portion of the diet. They rely on meat, tubers, and fruit.... with just a bit of veggies.

            "Vegetables" are notably underrepresented. The most commonly eaten plant foods are fruit, underground storage organs (tubers, roots, corms, bulbs), nuts and other seeds. Leaves and other low-calorie plant parts were used much less frequently."

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            • #7
              The last three hit it on the head. Paleo man was not eating big ass salads filled with arugala and bell peppers. Most likely their diets mainly consisted of fruit, shell fish and other sea food, insects and tubers/roots. And in some small game and larger prey once in awhile.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Zach View Post
                The last three hit it on the head. Paleo man was not eating big ass salads filled with arugala and bell peppers. Most likely their diets mainly consisted of fruit, shell fish and other sea food, insects and tubers/roots. And in some small game and larger prey once in awhile.
                Once in a while would depend on the season as well. I think man was very opportunistic in that respect. Out looking for tubers/shellfish and spot an injured antelope? The hunt is on!

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                • #9
                  It also depended on where people lived. People in higher latitudes (closer to the poles) had less access to plant foods, and meat would have made up a larger portion of their diet. People living at lower latitudes (closer to the tropics) would have more access to plant foods, and their diet would adjust accordingly.
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                  • #10
                    Just logging in to congratulate Skorpion317 on his(?) amazing weight loss in his sig. Way to go!
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by oxide View Post
                      Just logging in to congratulate Skorpion317 on his(?) amazing weight loss in his sig. Way to go!
                      Thanks! I was down to 193 lbs. in Oct. 2012, then laziness and a badly sprained toe caused me go back up to 245 lbs. I started working my way back down in the beginning of February.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by skorpion317 View Post
                        Thanks! I was down to 193 lbs. in Oct. 2012, then laziness and a badly sprained toe caused me go back up to 245 lbs. I started working my way back down in the beginning of February.
                        Wow, that's tough.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Zach View Post
                          The last three hit it on the head. Paleo man was not eating big ass salads filled with arugala and bell peppers. Most likely their diets mainly consisted of fruit, shell fish and other sea food, insects and tubers/roots. And in some small game and larger prey once in awhile.
                          That makes sense. The only way the math works is including a bunch of fruit and tubers. And of course fruit is seasonal, which means you have to eat something else off-season. However getting 3000 calories from greens would be impossible.

                          Cordain Et Al was the largest hunter/gather study with 229 tribes studies. The average tribe was around 30% calories from plant foods. But there were two tribes (1%) who hit a whopping 76-85% from plant foods, I wonder what they were eating. 0% were 86-100% plant based.

                          http://m.ajcn.nutrition.org/content/71/3/682.full.pdf

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Forgotmylastusername View Post
                            You're assuming the small selection of modern plant foods we have avaible to us in the supermarket today resemeble the plant foods available over 10000 years ago.
                            No, I'm not assuming that.

                            I'm just wondering what people who say "we were plant eaters" think it was we ate, that could support the calorie needs of big strong paleolithic-sized bodies. I wouldn't assume vegis were the same as today, in fact I would assume they were smaller and less calorically dense than what we have today...which makes me wonder all the more how it would be calorically possible to survive on such.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by eKatherine View Post
                              Wow, that's tough.
                              Eh, it was my own fault. Lesson learned.
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