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  • #16
    Totally off topic but have to congratulate skorpion317 on the weight loss in his/her signature page! That is amazing! Way to go!
    You know all those things you wanted to do: You should go do them.

    Age 48
    height 5'3
    SW 215 lbs
    CW 180 lbs (whole foods/primal eating)
    LW 172 lbs
    GW 125ish lbs

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    • #17
      Originally posted by valmason01 View Post
      Totally off topic but have to congratulate skorpion317 on the weight loss in his/her signature page! That is amazing! Way to go!
      Thanks! Keep up the good work!
      "Don't waste your time, or time will waste you."

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      • #18
        The thread title should read "doing the arithmetic" - no?

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        • #19
          Originally posted by KimchiNinja View Post
          And after consuming those 150g of carbs from lettuce, cucumber, broccoli, carrots and celery you only get 600 calories (minus all that energy you spent eating and digesting them!). It's enough to sustain yourself, until the next kill. But to thrive on vegi alone you would need to eat way more.
          Originally posted by KimchiNinja View Post
          I wouldn't assume vegis were the same as today, in fact I would assume they were smaller and less calorically dense than what we have today...which makes me wonder all the more how it would be calorically possible to survive on such.
          This is why I eat a primarily animal based diet. I (and my digestive system) have never felt better. I have a working theory that eating a lot of veggies sends the wrong chemical signals to your body, one that say hold on to every last gram of nutrition possible and store it because the hunting is not good. Eating animal protein along with ample amounts of animal fat lets the body know that the hunting is good and there is no need to hoard the resources.

          Not only were Paleolithic veggies smaller and less calorically and nutritionally dense, they also had more defenses up in terms of anti-nutrients, and sharp spiky bits. They would not have been worth a self respecting Grok's time to collect unless the tribe was seriously hungry.

          I agree with what was said about seafood above and would add that sea veggies might also have played a major role in coastal dwelling Groks' diets. Sea veggies such as kelp are not technically plants but rather algae that don't have such anti-nutrient defenses.

          Also our bodies' non-negotiable need for iodine would support the idea that we spent a good bit of our evolutionary path in a coastal environment.

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          • #20
            Yep, we followed coastlines for 90,000 some years. Most likely seafood and fruit were a big part of diet. Vegetation not so much.

            Also salt! Removing all salt is a big mistake since if we lived close to the ocean for so long we would be consuming quite a bit of it.

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            • #21
              What do gorillas eat? Huge piles of tough tree leaves.

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              • #22
                If I was a paleo man walking through the wild I would probably choose to eat fruit over vegetables if given the choice. I would think that paleolithic people probably ate more fruit over vegetables if given the opportunity. And if they had a chance to eat wild game or fish they would literally jump and run at the opportunity. Depending on the climate/season and availability of animals, plants would most likely be most abundant though.
                "If man made it, don't eat it" - Jack Lallane

                People say I am on a "crazy" diet. What is so crazy about eating veggies, fruits, seafood and organ meats? Just because I don't eat whole wheat and processed food doesn't make my diet "crazy". Maybe everyone else with a SAD are the "crazy" ones for putting that junk in their system.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by eKatherine View Post
                  What do gorillas eat? Huge piles of tough tree leaves.
                  But maybe they're sneaking some meat:

                  Like the vegetarian who can't resist the occasional burger, the otherwise herbivorous gorilla might succumb to cravings for its evolutionary cousins, a new study hints.

                  While some zoo specimens are known to eat meat, wild gorillas eat only plants and fruit, along with the odd insect—as far as scientists know (see video of wild gorillas feasting on figs).

                  But a recent study found DNA from monkeys and small forest antelopes called duikers in the feces of wild African western lowland gorillas in Loango National Park in Gabon.

                  The discovery raises the possibility that gorillas might have a secret meat habit—scavenging or hunting discretely.
                  Source: First Proof Gorillas Eat Monkeys?

                  (Bolding in quote is mine.)
                  "Right is right, even if no one is doing it; wrong is wrong, even if everyone is doing it." - St. Augustine

                  B*tch-lite

                  Who says back fat is a bad thing? Maybe on a hairy guy at the beach, but not on a crab.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by CavemanJoe View Post
                    The thread title should read "doing the arithmetic" - no?
                    Yes, but Americans think arithmetic is really hard. LOL
                    "When the search for truth is confused with political advocacy, the pursuit of knowledge is reduced to the quest for power." - Alston Chase

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Paleobird View Post
                      Not only were Paleolithic veggies smaller and less calorically and nutritionally dense, they also had more defenses up in terms of anti-nutrients, and sharp spiky bits. They would not have been worth a self respecting Grok's time to collect unless the tribe was seriously hungry.
                      Exactly.

                      Just too much work for way too little calories. I know because I started out on paleo eating masses of vegi and quickly learned that it's simply exhausting...even with our monster-sized modern vegis and stocked supermarkets!

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                      • #26
                        But heating/cooking/fermenting vegetables, grains and some meats makes many of them more digestible and easy to eat... Fire/cooking made us human some say.
                        Take a walk on the wild side.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by eKatherine View Post
                          What do gorillas eat? Huge piles of tough tree leaves.
                          Originally posted by JoanieL View Post
                          But maybe they're sneaking some meat:



                          Source: First Proof Gorillas Eat Monkeys?

                          (Bolding in quote is mine.)
                          Primates eat primates - fact!

                          "I think the basic anti-aging diet is also the best diet for prevention and treatment of diabetes, scleroderma, and the various "connective tissue diseases." This would emphasize high protein, low unsaturated fats, low iron, and high antioxidant consumption, with a moderate or low starch consumption.

                          In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements."

                          - Ray Peat

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                          • #28
                            The math doesn't add up. This website has a lot of info.
                            The Calorie Paradox of Raw Veganism
                            Female, 5'3", 50, Max squat: 202.5lbs. Max deadlift: 225 x 3.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by eKatherine View Post
                              What do gorillas eat? Huge piles of tough tree leaves.
                              We didn't evolve from gorillas. Their lifestyle is also significantly different from that of ancient humans. Very similar to many humans who eat a SAD diet - sit around all day and eat a lot.
                              "Don't waste your time, or time will waste you."

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by skorpion317 View Post
                                We didn't evolve from gorillas. Their lifestyle is also significantly different from that of ancient humans. Very similar to many humans who eat a SAD diet - sit around all day and eat a lot.
                                No, we didn't evolve from gorillas. But my point is that gorillas have a much larger digestive system than ours because of the much larger amount of raw cellulose they consume than we do.

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