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  • oh man, I just read a study not too long ago that proved that it was not dietary fiber that makes you go. But I cannot remember for sure what does. I want to say fat. I will have to see if I can find it and put a link in. I do remember that by increasing fiber you simply increase the amount of stool but not necessarily move it along.

    I will say that the quantity of waste is smaller, probably because the intake is smaller. I dunno, maybe you are using more of it.

    You could try to use a stool to raise your knees while you go (sort of replicate a squatting position). That is supposed to help.
    Chris
    "Life isn't about waiting for the storm to pass. It is about learning to dance in the rain."
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    My "Program": doing my version of a 4:3 - 3 day fast diet with real food every day, with a little twist of anti-inflammatory mixed in.

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    • I had this problem when I first went primal. It did get better but wasn't every day. I'm starting to think it's not necessary to go every day, though that is was CW says. I am hoping after this big UD- two full meals- breakfast and dinner that maybe................. I don't think I've over shot my calories by any means just bad on the carb intake. Probably had more like 65-75 on the last two UD rather than my normal 30 and under. Damn you potatoes, being so good.

      I'm probably being too hard on myself. Weight loss was just so easy last month, and now I've hit a hiccup. I think I am ready to flush all my short term (ie weekly monthly) goals away and just go with what happens. My next (no particular time point) big goal is to hit 250. It seems so close, yet so far away at this point.

      Regardless, I am going to continue with ADF as I do really enjoy the routine. I do think it will help me reach my goals long term.
      The process is simple: Free your mind, and your ass will follow.

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      • Found an interesting post on the SparkPeople JUDDD thread that I found useful, because I have not read the book.. I bolded the pertinent bits:

        For the new members who see those of us who do fasting, please do not think that it's required. It's a tool we use to help us break plateau's or lose quickly an unexpected weight gain. Doing the 500 down day will adjust your body to lower calories and more control over food.

        It says in the book on page 244 that the high number is only to get the number of calories we need on the down day.
        (but then he gives 500 as the down day calories.) It says it's absolutely (his words) not necessary to eat that amount on the up days. He says to eat only until satisfied. Satisfied is not the same as full, it's more like eating a meal of proper portions. (See my blog on portions) The calculator is more to set the down days or higher if you want to just maintain. Like 50% to maintain on. I have to use the 500 or less or I can't even maintain. Think about it, you're trying to lose weight, if you're satisfied with a smaller amount on the up days, that's normal..If your tummy is shrinking, that's a good thing.
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        This is what I have been doing and it is working really well.

        Like I said to Demuralist, I may be an exception, since I don't have much to lose, but if you aren't losing, it may be worth ignoring the numbers from the website for your ud (and eating to satiety), and just using the dd number.
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        • Im not using any numbers. I eat until satisfied on up days and only milk in coffee on down days. I have a basic idea of the calories im consuming on up days. Im just struggling because I decided to go on a potato binge.
          The process is simple: Free your mind, and your ass will follow.

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          • Originally posted by Gladmorning View Post
            Im not using any numbers. I eat until satisfied on up days and only milk in coffee on down days. I have a basic idea of the calories im consuming on up days. Im just struggling because I decided to go on a potato binge.
            Cool! BTW, my post was not directed at anyone, just a follow-up to an earlier post by Demuralist.
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            • Nope- it's cool. Just sharing. I cannot be bothered to go by a number, count, weigh (food) etc. Takes all the fun out of eating good food. At my core I am still a foodie.
              The process is simple: Free your mind, and your ass will follow.

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              • Yep, on the LCF thread I was reading they were pointing out the "outdated" information in the book and that was one of the things they pointed out. They essentially said that their experience was that not eating to ud potential tended to cause a stall. They lean more toward eating more rather than eating less.

                For me, in my heart, I agree with eating to satisfaction. However if I was any good at that I don't think I would be 100 pounds overweight right now!
                Chris
                "Life isn't about waiting for the storm to pass. It is about learning to dance in the rain."
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                My journal: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread36279.html

                My "Program": doing my version of a 4:3 - 3 day fast diet with real food every day, with a little twist of anti-inflammatory mixed in.

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                • Originally posted by demuralist View Post
                  For me, in my heart, I agree with eating to satisfaction. However if I was any good at that I don't think I would be 100 pounds overweight right now!
                  Just my fwiw, don't sell yourself too short now If you were like me, BEFORE I was eating all crap that was not filling nor nutritious and some say addicting. My body had no choice but to scream and crave for more, hoping to find some sort of vitamins it could use. Now that I am feeding it good stuff, I can get full on way less. (I still count calories, I am just saying it might be possible that I could do okay w/o counting)
                  Last edited by gopintos; 04-09-2013, 06:27 AM.
                  65lbs gone and counting!!

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                  • Originally posted by demuralist View Post

                    For me, in my heart, I agree with eating to satisfaction. However if I was any good at that I don't think I would be 100 pounds overweight right now!
                    Preach. I need guidelines to keep me under control, give me an inch and I take a mile. So I need to count, weigh and measure unfortunately.


                    Guys ,ADF is miserable .........but my god does it work! 219.2 this morning! That's 6.2 lbs since I started on Thursday! I haven't seen the 2teens in 3 years! I feel like my goal of 215 this month might actually be reachable!

                    I'm kinda sad ill be trying to concieve this month ,now that I'm finally seeing progress! I can see a conversation with my husband" babe, um..... Can we try next month instead.......?" Lol! No we've been putting it off for 3 years ,ill try this month but if I dont succeed I won't be too upset cause ill get another month to try to get this weight off!

                    Ud for me and I'm glad, yesterday was rough!
                    Veronica
                    High weight: 263.8 lbs
                    Primal start weight 1/26/13: 233 lbs
                    ADF start weight 10/12/15 : 188.2lbs
                    Current weight: 177.6 lbs
                    Goal: 145 lbs

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                    • That's fantastic, Veronica!

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                      • Nope- it's cool. Just sharing. I cannot be bothered to go by a number, count, weigh (food) etc. Takes all the fun out of eating good food. At my core I am still a foodie.
                        me, too!

                        Yep, on the LCF thread I was reading they were pointing out the "outdated" information in the book and that was one of the things they pointed out. They essentially said that their experience was that not eating to ud potential tended to cause a stall. They lean more toward eating more rather than eating less.
                        Ah, interesting!

                        For me, in my heart, I agree with eating to satisfaction. However if I was any good at that I don't think I would be 100 pounds overweight right now!
                        Yeah, I have read various bits about hunger signals being messed up if you have a lot of fat cells--whether they are empty or not. Really makes sense.

                        219.2 this morning! That's 6.2 lbs since I started on Thursday! I haven't seen the 2teens in 3 years! I feel like my goal of 215 this month might actually be reachable!
                        Yay, Veronica!
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                        • Originally posted by eKatherine View Post
                          That's fantastic, Veronica!
                          thanks!


                          So question do you guys think its water weight, I mean, I think my first 8 lbs lost just from going primal was water weight. So is this additional 6lbs actual fat loss?
                          Veronica
                          High weight: 263.8 lbs
                          Primal start weight 1/26/13: 233 lbs
                          ADF start weight 10/12/15 : 188.2lbs
                          Current weight: 177.6 lbs
                          Goal: 145 lbs

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                          • No surprise, I'm up a pound from yesterday's carb fest, lol. Danged water weight, lol. Today is a down day so I should recover quickly enough. Surprisingly I was not that hungry yesterday, even after all that sugar in the morning. I'm hoping it doesn't mess me up today though.

                            Also had a bug last night to find my old FitBit. So I'm wearing that today...I already feel motivated to move around a bit more, lol. I also dug around until I found my BodyMediaBug and will charge that up tonight when I get home.

                            Originally posted by vlo1125 View Post
                            Guys ,ADF is miserable .........but my god does it work! 219.2 this morning! That's 6.2 lbs since I started on Thursday! I haven't seen the 2teens in 3 years! I feel like my goal of 215 this month might actually be reachable!
                            I'm so sorry it's miserable, but YAY 2TEENS!!!! Congratulations.
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                            • Hmmmm, hunger signals being messed up. I hadn't really thought too much about that. I have a lot of fat cells, and I also have gastroparesis which tends to mess with hunger signals anyway, though I've been pretty symptom free for over a year.
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                              Donna

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                              • Originally posted by vlo1125 View Post
                                thanks!


                                So question do you guys think its water weight, I mean, I think my first 8 lbs lost just from going primal was water weight. So is this additional 6lbs actual fat loss?
                                Probably some of it's water weight. How it works with diets is that at the beginning you lose "phantom weight", part of which is water weight. As weight loss slows down, you continue to lose, but it is fat. It is not all water weight if you can keep it off.

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