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  • Originally posted by eKatherine View Post
    What you need to do is develop a relationship with your hunger. Start by asking yourself, "On a scale of 0 to 10, where 0 is 'literally starving' 5 is 'neither hungry nor full,' and 10 is 'so full I think I'm nauseated," what number am I at?

    Learn to notice how hunger is not constant, but comes and goes in waves, depending on a lot of things that have little or nothing to do with when you most recently ate and how much you ate.

    If you're trying to lose weight, you should avoid being full, and teach yourself to stop eating when you are no longer hungry.

    Down at the bottom you will find a "famished" point where you may be too hungry, so hungry you can't control yourself once you start eating. You need to learn to avoid getting quite that hungry.
    Thanks you! Yes, I think I can safely say that famished would not be good, lol. I think your post summarizes some of the thoughts I've been having lately and one reason why I wanted to try the up day/down day thing. I've lost all confidence in my body's hunger signals and I'd like to trust it more.

    I'm still hungry, but it's not bad right now, and I'm sure I'll be able to make it until 4:30 when I get home. I've eaten my 3 little one-bite potatoes with a cup of herbal tea along side and I've still got all my broth and about an ounce of chicken livers to eat while at work. I am also reminding myself that if I truly feel bad at any point, I've got a drawer full of food, lol. I can tell you that I am truly looking forward to dinner this evening, lol.
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    • I'm trying to figure out if I should eat the 500 calories or just do a total fast. Need to do some experimenting and see what works best. For now I'm going to do the 500 calories on down days. I'm giving this n=1 a month.

      Today is down day.
      1. Love ME no matter what noises are screaming at me, or who is trying to tear me down.
      2. Eat to heal
      3. Move to live
      4. Embrace today
      5. Live with intention
      6. Respect my body
      7. Cultivate joy
      8. Find my passion
      9. Meditate on peace in my soul

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      • Yeah, I don't know if I could do this indefinitely in its present form, but I think I could definitely do a down day of 600-700 calories. I just checked the numbers on the JUDDD website and for 45% maintenance that would be almost 700 calories on a down day. It has my normal day calories at 1994, which I almost never get to since going primal and especially with EMF. Yesterday was my first official up day and I think I had around 1500 calories total, and I felt like I was eating all day long, lol.
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        • In regards to devloping a relationship with your hunger - this is so true. On non-fasting days, I usually snack morning and afternoon, because I get 'hungry'. I realised yesterday this is just making my fast days harder, as apart from fast days I never sit with hunger, but get all dramatic and rush to the cupboard. So from today I am going to try my best to not snack between meals too.

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          • I made it through the work day! Yay, lol. I get to leave in about 6 minutes, 30 minute commute home, then dinner (or maybe put in a load of laundry first). But, I'm not counting the minutes or anything, lol. Seriously though, it really wasn't that bad, not at all. The beef stock and the little bit of liver I had really seemed to hold me over. I'm hungry, but it's definitely not something I can't deal with for another hour or so.
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            • How do y'all cook the liver? I bought some but I am not real excited about cooking it. Another down day today. I am shooting for no more than 550kc. I have had 1/2 cup of full fat greek yogurt, small green salad w/ EVOO, a potato and 4 slices of bacon. I know he says the first 2 week should be 500 kc only but I am really struggling w/ that. The headache is the worst part. I keep telling myself I can eat tomorrow and I want to be healthy. Be good to know if this gets easier. I feel like I am in a constant battle with myself and food.
              You know all those things you wanted to do: You should go do them.

              Age 48
              height 5'3
              SW 215 lbs
              CW 180 lbs (whole foods/primal eating)
              LW 172 lbs
              GW 125ish lbs

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              • Hang in there, Val!!!! I'm having a hard time too. Luckily my schedule works in my favor! Generally I don't eat breakfast until about 11:30 - prior to leaving for my job in the afternoons. Then when I get home from work I eat dinner. With this JUDDD thing I just skip the before work food and when I get home from work I have a small meal. Its working.

                I didn't do the JUDDDD over the weekend. Because of that I am calling this a re-start today. Smoked turkey for dinner! Its not that great - we smoked it last weekend, its a bit on the dry side. Ick.

                I'm terribly bloated today.............. whats that all about?
                1. Love ME no matter what noises are screaming at me, or who is trying to tear me down.
                2. Eat to heal
                3. Move to live
                4. Embrace today
                5. Live with intention
                6. Respect my body
                7. Cultivate joy
                8. Find my passion
                9. Meditate on peace in my soul

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                • Originally posted by tomi View Post

                  I'm terribly bloated today.............. whats that all about?
                  I assume it's just the changing of things. Your body is screaming out like a whiny bitch and trying to convince you eat, eat, eat. Now, just grab it by the ear, twist it a little and tell it to listen to YOU That's the way I see it, anyway ;-)

                  I've really been doing a lot of thinking about the science behind all this. When I really start to think about it, it seems like the most natural thing in the world. Our bodies wouldn't be made to last otherwise, right?

                  This down day was wonderful. Never once thought about eating. Stomach grumbled a little bit but that is all. My only calories were from a cumulative cup of 2% milk put in my coffee this morning and afternoon. Coffee is my stand by on down days. If I feel hungry, or, more accurately, feel the urge to eat (because my body is being a whiny little bitch) I just have a cup of coffee or two and I'm fine.
                  The process is simple: Free your mind, and your ass will follow.

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                  • Val, you're doing great, just hang in there. I had a pat of butter at my desk and believe me I stared at that little packet of goodness for a looonggg time, lol. I finally put it out of sight, but I almost ate it.

                    For liver, I usually just saute it in some butter. I've tried to coat it with a little coconut flour, but I haven't had good results with it. This was just plain sauteed in butter and it tasted so darned good...an excellent side effect of a down day, lol.
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                    • Originally posted by Gladmorning View Post
                      Your body is screaming out like a whiny bitch and trying to convince you eat, eat, eat.
                      I think you're right.
                      1. Love ME no matter what noises are screaming at me, or who is trying to tear me down.
                      2. Eat to heal
                      3. Move to live
                      4. Embrace today
                      5. Live with intention
                      6. Respect my body
                      7. Cultivate joy
                      8. Find my passion
                      9. Meditate on peace in my soul

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                      • Today was my Up Day and I ate quite a bit. 3 eggs, 4 pieces of bacon, half an avocado for brunch, dinner was 2 lamb chops, broccoli and brussels sprouts in butter with an entire 83% Lucienne's dark chocolate bar and an oz of macadamia nuts. I also had coffee with an oz of cream twice. Definitely a splurge day!

                        I don't even know how many calories but I definitely am going to be needing my DD tomorrow! I'm going to play it by ear as to whether or not to fast. I'd like to but I'm still on TOM and while fasting is usually effortless TOM really seems to interfere with that.

                        Val, I love liver and put it in almost anything made with ground beef. I eat at least 1/2 lb a week on Dr's orders as I'm dealing with anemia from bleeding for six months straight due to the depo shot and Endometriosis. Meat loaf is really good with it, spaghetti sauce over zucchini noodles, and you can add as much or as little as you want until you become accustomed to the taste. Pate is a really easy way to eat it and I like it sauteed in ghee, caramelized onions, and mushrooms over mashed cauliflower. Yum!! If you find the taste too strong try soaking it in buttermilk. Just drain the milk and rinse the slices off if you don't do dairy. My Mom did that for us as kids and we loved it. Of course she fried it in whole wheat flour but at least it got us used to eating liver!

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                        • Hang in there. Those first few Down Days are the hardest. My third one left me whining and annoyed. But all of a sudden, the fourth one was easy. I DO think that eating a little is harder than fasting, but I made it through, anyhow!

                          The HABIT of eating--don't know how long it will take for ignoring that to become easy. Yesterday I was coming back from a meeting. I was NOT hungry. But my first thought on coming through the door was, 'I'll sit down and eat something.' I think I use eating as a transition activity too often.

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                          • +1^

                            Me too! I use eating in a variety of ways but only minisulely as it should be used, lol. That's what I'm hoping to fix. My down day went pretty well. I was still over my calories a bit though. I'm also still up that half pound, but I haven't been regular in the bathroom department since Saturday, so I'm sure that's part of it.

                            Go figure, today is my up day and when I woke up I wasn't hungry. I contemplated just fasting until I WAS hungry, and I probably should have, but had a raw coconut macaroon, then my usual commuter mug of coffee (decaf this week) with HWC on the way to work.
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                            • Yesterday was my up day. My meals were pretty healthy. I ate some (read: a bunch) of candy junk from Easter. But overall I felt it was good. I am doing my down day today, this time I am not going to do the 500 calories. It just makes it too hard. But I will be sure to drink plenty of water.
                              The habit of eating is a really interesting phenomena. It's mind boggling when you think you need to eat, but when you stop and actually listen you realize that you don't want/need it after all.

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                              • I'm making primal cheesecake and pork carnitas this morning, to have for our Up Day dinner tonight. One thing about only eating every other day- you want to make it count!

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