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    For those of you who eat very low carb- i.e.: no fruit, starch, limited nuts..... how did you determine this was the path for you? I realize everyone is different and needs to eat in a way that suits them. I also realize primal eating is not inherently low carb.

    How did you find your VLC way?

    Also, what is your exercise program like?

  • #2
    When I first started losing weight eating LC, I was following the Atkins plan which in the first 2 weeks is VLC, allowing for 25 net carbs from their long vegetable list (25 net carbs is actually quite a bit of vegetables). This was in addition to the protein and fats allowed.

    As you move thru that program you add back other foods: low carb fruits, nuts, additional vegetables, etc. etc. I found that keeping the carbs to the beginning level got me off to a great start. Interestingly, I was able to slowly increase carb intake over time and can now eat higher carb foods that I couldn't eat at all in the beginning w/o stalling or gaining.

    In the beginning my exercise was walking only. In addition to weighing too much, I had health issues that interfered with more strenuous exercise. After getting to my weight goal, I've added in a lifting program at a gym and actually wish I'd started it sooner. When you lose weight, part of it is muscle, but lifting sooner might have helped me preserve more muscle.

    If you are doing it for health reasons and not weight loss, I have had huge health benefits but it is hard to say if they were a result of eating LC or merely from the weight loss I had.
    Starting Weight: 197.5
    Current Weight: 123
    Far healthier!

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    • #3
      When I first read (more like crazily indulged) primal articles, I believed it was a low carb diet (not to some people I realize)
      So I ate mostly fats, meat, and little fruits and some vegetables.
      The weight loss was easy, at 3 pounds the first week (water weight) and it stayed off!
      After staying away from carbs, I did not crave them so I continued my ways.
      I prefer to use up my daily calories on delicious chunks of meat than bland rice or toast.
      Though, I have started to include carb refeeds and I eat a sweet potato or indulge in some Pho with rice noodles.

      My exercise regime is 3x heavy lifting, 2-3x cardio (either 3 mile jogs or long walks) and a rest day.
      I currently average about 30-50 grams of carbs a day but I'm petite so this would not be ok for people taller.

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      • #4
        In the past year my father lost 70lbs and, according to his doctor, reversed his diabetes with a no sugar, no starch diet.
        So he's really been a walking talking testimonial, especially since I have PCOS and IR.

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        • #5
          I found it through the leptin reset, and then through other threads here in MDA. AFter initial adjustment, it is the most effective way I have found to bust through the carb cravings and binging. Now when I do 'cheat', I can do it moderately without a complete blowout.

          I exercise 3-6 days a week, depending on other stuff. I alternate interval cardio with weights. Other activities include walking, yoga, and playground play with the kids.

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          • #6
            For me, it keeps the cravings for other things away. I am able to eat less because the higher fat keeps me satiated longer. I tried reducing portion sizes, but was hungry just a little while later. I tried eating larger meals, but was still hungry sooner than I should have been. I have always loved the sweet taste, but it DOES trigger a binge reflex. That's a faulty mechanism somewhere in my thought process, but it's hard to overcome. With VLC I don't have cravings at all, which is sweet (pun intended) relief. I can eat 1 or 2 squares of Lindt 90% cocoa bar without wanting to eat more. It's amazing to me actually.

            Right now, I have a severe dread factor for exercise, so I'm doing whatever it is I feel like doing that gets me moving. I'm walking, playing Wii games...anything that is somewhat fun. I'm also trying to do Mark's essential moves at least a couple of times a week and trying to incorporate some sprints.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by 252dlp View Post
              Right now, I have a severe dread factor for exercise, so I'm doing whatever it is I feel like doing that gets me moving.
              What is it about exercise that triggers this and what does it trigger?

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              • #8
                Originally posted by 252dlp View Post
                For me, it keeps the cravings for other things away. I am able to eat less because the higher fat keep me satiated longer. I tried reducing portion sizes, but was hungry just a little while later. I tried eating larger meals, but was still hungry sooner than I should have been. I have always loved the sweet taste, but it DOES trigger a binge reflex. That's a faulty mechanism somewhere in my thought process, but it's hard to oversome. With VLC I don't have cravings at all, which is sweet (pun intended) relief. I can eat 1 or 2 squares of Lindt 90% cocoa bar without wanting to eat more. It's amazing to me actually.
                This describes me perfectly. Nice to know I am not alone on this planet! Two (on occasion 4) squares of Lindt 90 every morning as a post-breakfast treat.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by eKatherine View Post
                  What is it about exercise that triggers this and what does it trigger?
                  I'm not entirely sure--maybe another faulty thought process, lol. At one time I LOVED it--everything about it. Loved cardio, and loved lifting weights. And, maybe that's it...I think I OVER exercised for a number of years. Then I had major surgery a few years ago and was laid up for one reason or another (all physical) for a couple of years. Maybe it's just plain laziness... Edited to add: though I DO think once I get past this I will enjoy it again...I just need to get moving.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by 252dlp View Post
                    I'm not entirely sure--maybe another faulty thought process, lol. At one time I LOVED it--everything about it. Loved cardio, and loved lifting weights. And, maybe that's it...I think I OVER exercised for a number of years. Then I had major surgery a few years ago and was laid up for one reason or another (all physical) for a couple of years. Maybe it's just plain laziness... Edited to add: though I DO think once I get past this I will enjoy it again...I just need to get moving.
                    I think moving is the most important thing. Long slow walks are greatly underrated. The body will tell you when it wants to speed up or otherwise do something more strenuous.

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                    • #11
                      I eat below 10 grams of carbohydrate almost every day because it keeps my depression and anxiety completely in check, and also seems to quell any obsessive food behaviours (there's not much to obsess about when all you eat is meat, eggs, organs, cheese and spinach).

                      I really love potatoes, nuts and bananas. I can handle them if I am expending A TON of energy, probably because of glycogen and muscle repair, but who knows?

                      I've tried to eat more carbohydrates experimentally. Even a few extra grams (say 20g/day) negatively impacts my mood. I get panicky, I start to slide into depression, within a couple of days. I also experience a negative physical response (bloating and farting). Almost-no-carbs takes care of that.

                      My exercise is mostly at work: lots of walking and lifting heavy boxes and bags (40-80lbs). I haven't found that I need carbohydrates to comfortably support this expenditure.
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                      • #12
                        I settled on a VLC lifestyle because of two health problems, epilepsy and cancer(five years ago). The research I did in both these areas led me to the same place. Ketosis works.

                        But, as Nora Gedgaudas points out in this AHS address, Nora Gedgaudas, if it works so well for so many different types of maladies, why wait until you have one of them before trying it? It's not just for sick people. It is for illness prevention as well.

                        My exercise consists of a lot of walking and hiking with an occasional LHT set thrown in like some counter pushups while waiting for some tea to heat. I also do some sprints now and then mostly when my dog sees a tasty looking squirrel while we are walking in the park.

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                        • #13
                          While I'm not VLC, I have understood for about 25+ years that lower carbs than CW suggests is better for me. I had a friend back in the 80s that told me after years of trying everything, his mother (she was in her late 40s at the time) finally lost that last 15 pounds that put her back to her college weight simply by cutting out what he called white starches (bread, cereal, potatoes, rice). He also told me that what the govt recommends as a healthy diet for humans is the same one they recommend to farmers to fatten livestock. He really didn't have to sell it because it made a whole lot of sense to me, and looking back on my lifetime of yoyo-ing, there was a definite correlation between when I was fat (eating lots of carbs) and when I was thin (fewer carbs).
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Paleobird View Post
                            My exercise consists of a lot of walking and hiking with an occasional LHT set thrown in like some counter pushups while waiting for some tea to heat. I also do some sprints now and then mostly when my dog sees a tasty looking squirrel while we are walking in the park.
                            Have you ever beaten your dog to the squirrel? If so, how was it?

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                            • #15
                              I'm a doc and think there is probably a bit more science behind true low carb than there is behind the paleo or primal styles. That does NOT mean that Paleo and Primal are in any way "better" or "worse" than true low carb, just not as well TESTED. If you are interested in the science and are reasonably scientifically literate, "The art and science of low carbohydrate living" by Phinney and volek is a good coverage of the subject by two real scientists. Also the eatingacademy.com blog by Dr. Peter Attia has some excellent biochemistry in it. I've been low carb for eight months and have added in nuts, avocados, etc. I'm discovering I might be a chocolate addict, and find it easy to add more and more squares of dark chocolate; I might have to adopt an AA-style attitude (don't even have one.) Fortunately it is easy to eat a lot of delicious food on Low Carb.
                              10/2/12: 169 lbs, 37"waist
                              Now: low 150's, 33" waist
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