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  • #16
    Who's on a starvation diet?

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    • #17
      You told ME to. Told me to eat a third the meat and half everything else. That's a starvation diet.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by 2ndChance View Post
        Truth. You can't handle it.

        This protein could be good for you, though. http://www.grass-fed-eggs.com/grass-fed-hens.jpg
        Good for me? I'm allergic to eggs. I can only eat one once in a while.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by eKatherine View Post
          You told ME to. Told me to eat a third the meat and half everything else. That's a starvation diet.
          I told you it's better to eat less organic meat than to eat more factory-farmed meat. Not sure where you got the idea you should halve the rest of your caloric intake. How about eating more eggs? Organic eggs are cheap.

          EDIT - Guess not. I guess you can't eat the humanely treated hens either?

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          • #20
            Now that my wages are higher than last year, I can afford buying local sources of meat. Yes, the cost is 20-50% higher. But I also eat lots of potatoes now, so my intake of meat went down.

            Most of the meat I buy from local farmers is offal. Probably not the best way to get quality types of protein, but it'll do every once in a while. Offal definitely tastes better pastured than regular, too.

            I buy a lot of conventionally raised pork sirloin for a good amount of my regular meat consumption, which is cheap where I am, and gets my protein to levels that I want.

            Chinese grocers are the best places to buy fresh fish, which has a fair amount of protein as well.
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            • #21
              I guess you live on an unlimited food budget. I don't pay $6 a pound for chicken.

              You said to buy everything organic and only buy 1/3 the meat. Organic produce costs twice as much here, hence purchase less than half as much food. Perhaps your arithmetic works different from normal arithmetic.

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              • #22
                It's important to avoid farmed fish, though... not sure if that's what the Chinese grocers sell but my bet is that it is... I know this thread is about justifying not eating organic, but the truth is, quality food costs more :/ As my nutrition professor said, though, it's "pay now or pay later" for meds... (especially true when you consider things like this-- Health Risks Associated with Consuming Farm-Raised Salmon)

                Edit-- eKatherine, I am definitely not on an unlimited budget... I don't know what your situation is, for all I know you're trying to feed a family of 10, but if you sit down and plan out your food purchases you might be able to find a way to revamp your spending/eating to incorporate organic meats. I'm not trying to be condescending, I've just read so much about nutrition that I can't eat certain things anymore because of what I know about them.
                Last edited by 2ndChance; 03-24-2013, 03:48 PM.

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                • #23
                  Well...my grocer is 99 Ranch, which I think is pretty respectable. They label which fishes are wild-caught and which are farmed. I usually buy the wild-caught ones from Canada. Not sure if there are any problems there.

                  Most of the time I can find something wild-caught for as little as $3/lb.
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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by sakura_girl View Post
                    Well...my grocer is 99 Ranch, which I think is pretty respectable. They label which fishes are wild-caught and which are farmed. I usually buy the wild-caught ones from Canada. Not sure if there are any problems there.

                    Most of the time I can find something wild-caught for as little as $3/lb.
                    That's good to hear that they label, and that's a seriously good deal considering my local health food store charges something like 14$ a lb. for wild salmon...

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                    • #25
                      Haha, sometimes the marketing markups get ridiculous...
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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by eKatherine View Post
                        At least I have a grasp of reality, instead of going to a paleo forum and telling people who don't need to lose weight that they should go on a starvation diet.

                        Truth. You can't handle it.
                        I have no bias here, but I will come to 2ndchances defense. Katherine, it is coming off that you don't quite grasp 2ndchances original piece of advice, and are attacking them for it. 2ndchance simply suggested less organic meat, not less calories/protein.

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                        • #27
                          2ndChance's original advice is to cut meat down to a third, because we don't need as much protein as we are eating, then make up the difference by buying all organic vegetables instead of the regular ones. That would either more than double my food budget or cut the volume of food purchased to less than half.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by eKatherine View Post
                            2ndChance's original advice is to cut meat down to a third, because we don't need as much protein as we are eating, then make up the difference by buying all organic vegetables instead of the regular ones. That would either more than double my food budget or cut the volume of food purchased to less than half.
                            The difference between organic and non-organic meat is huge. It's pretty big when it comes to veggies/fruits, too, but SERIOUSLY huge when it comes to meat. I'm sure you could find a way to revamp your spending/eating to eat organic meat instead of meat from animals who were treated like dirt and fed things you wouldn't let anywhere near you or your family's plate.

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                            • #29
                              Some of our beef is 100% grass fed. Some is not. ALL of it is pastured and ethically raised on family farms. ALL of it is antibiotic and hormone free. You have to do the best you can with the budget and resources at your disposal.
                              Sandra
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                              There are no cheat days. There are days when you eat primal and days you don't. As soon as you label a day a cheat day, you're on a diet. Don't be on a diet. ~~ Fernaldo

                              DAINTY CAN KISS MY PRIMAL BACKSIDE. ~~ Crabcakes

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                              • #30
                                I would suggest making sure you get good fish, like tinned salmon and sardines. Lots of omega-3's there to counteract the omega-6's in the factory meat. If you can't afford grass fed, you can't afford it. Although I would like to point out that grass fed beef doesn't have to be organic.
                                Out of context quote for the day:

                                Clearly Gorbag is so awesome he should be cloned, reproducing in the normal manner would only dilute his awesomeness. - Urban Forager

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