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    Dissecting the Myth: Why Grains and Gluten Aren't Bad for You | Outlaw Fitness

  • #2
    Full of bald-faced lies. He doesn't believe in the concept of gluten intolerance, and apparently once you're in a wheelchair with ataxia and dying of lymphoma, this is all completely reversible.

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    • #3
      Sometimes I still eat wheat-based foods (such as burger buns, pizza, and beer on occasion). Wheat-based foods stimulate me to eat more. I won't even be necessarily hungry, but I'll keep eating well beyond what I need. For a few days after, my digestive system is not what it should be. Rice does not do this.

      I don't care what he says- minimal wheat in my diet works well for me.

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      • #4
        Thanks for this post--it's always good to hear both sides. I've reintroduced grains because my only reason for giving them up was because I thought I was "supposed to," pre-primal they were a staple of my diet and I never had any problems with them. I try not to overload on gluten, I buy Ezekiel bread if I want bread, eat organic rice, etc. I love beer and no study will ever convince me it's bad when it makes me feel so good. This writer is just as unscientific as he accuses Mark of being, but I think the takeaway is, if grains don't give you problems, you don't have to get rid of them to be healthy. If they do, obviously your body's trying to tell you something. I personally feel better eating grains than I feel denying myself grains because something I read on the internet told me to.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by jfreaksho View Post
          Sometimes I still eat wheat-based foods (such as burger buns, pizza, and beer on occasion). Wheat-based foods stimulate me to eat more. I won't even be necessarily hungry, but I'll keep eating well beyond what I need. For a few days after, my digestive system is not what it should be. Rice does not do this.

          I don't care what he says- minimal wheat in my diet works well for me.
          He is actually saying that wheat in the diet works well for everybody. Even those who react.

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          • #6
            The studies he uses to support his argument are either uncontrolled epedemiological or the usual comparison whole grains are healthier than processed grains, so he has not adressed the question posed are no grains healthier than grains?
            "There are no short cuts to enlightenment, the journey is the destination, you have to walk this path alone"

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            • #7
              But what about the comments he makes regarding fibre's effect on gut lining and Marks supposed twisting of that information?

              The counter to lectin reads quite convincingly too. And Phytates.

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              • #8
                His own readers lash him pretty good. I don't see any need to rub salt in the wound.

                Hey he is entitled to his opinion. Just sucks for him that he is wrong

                All most of his studies prove is that whole wheat bread is better than Twinkies.
                Last edited by Neckhammer; 03-23-2013, 12:42 PM.

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                • #9
                  I havem't read the citation on fibre by mark, but I suspect it may have been misrepresented, I disagree with the quote that gut damage is good, the fact is our gut gets damaged enough on a healthy diet without the need for further damage, it is constantly being repared and has more immune activity than the rest of the body put together, so we don't need sharp fibre to scrape our gut.

                  He is not up to date with Coeliac incidence it is more like 1 in 100 than his quoted 1 in 250, and gluten is only one of the damaging proteins found in wheat, there is a whole raft of them being investigated now, as shown by cases of gluten sensitivity in the abscence of Anti Gliadin antibodies, this is because other antibodieas are at work here medicine just hasn't tested for them.

                  The lectin story is much the same, yes they are in everything, but some are more damaging than others, the anti cancer thing is a petri dish study, eg if you pour kerosene on cultured cancer cells does this suggest you should inject kerosene into cancer patients?

                  On the whole the benefits of grains small nutrient & mineral content is far outweighed by the risks from lectins & gluten and leaching properties of phytates, effectively rendering grains simply high GI carbohydrate void of nutrients but carrying significant risks, how is this healthy?
                  "There are no short cuts to enlightenment, the journey is the destination, you have to walk this path alone"

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                  • #10
                    From my own personal experience with Primal/Paleo I myself believe in cutting grains etc to gain health, lower fat, and improved fitness. I went from 13st 7lbs in January 2012 to 11st in March then completed a tough mudder in May 2012 with very little exercise. All of which I attribute to following the majority of the Primal/Paleo guidelines, particulary diet, sleep and stress.
                    I happened upon this article whilst searching for something that might be amiss with these guidelines as whilst I have had success, my wife hasn't and now over a year in, she's thinking of forgetting Primal/Paleo and adopting Weight Watchers again. This has been a source of stress between us (which I know doesn't help) but I'm running out of options.

                    I appreciate reading your rebuttals to the article I came across.

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                    • #11
                      After close to five years of research on the subject, I completely don't care what anyone has to say about wheat consumption anymore. Believe it's bad, don't believe it's bad, whatever. All I know is that when I eat wheat, my stomach blows up like a balloon, my nose stuffs up like a sinus infection, I can't sh*t for days, and I get a terrible acne breakout. So, I don't eat wheat, and I don't give a crap if some random internet person thinks it's all in my head. I know my body and honestly don't have the time or patience to care about anything else.

                      Off-topic, but I'm irrationally annoyed that that guy is calling himself Outlaw Fitness, when the completely unrelated Outlaw Training is such a well-respected niche fitness brand. It's like selling tractors under the name John Dore, only your tractors are made of plastic.

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                      • #12
                        I do care, because when some idiot with an agenda and an audience goes on the rampage like this, people who can't eat gluten end up suffering for it, as other people go out of their way to make it hard to stay gluten free.

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                        • #13
                          I do care, because when some idiot with an agenda and an audience goes on the rampage like this, people who can't eat gluten end up suffering for it, as other people go out of their way to make it hard to stay gluten free.
                          That is actually a pretty good point.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by jmottram View Post
                            From my own personal experience with Primal/Paleo I myself believe in cutting grains etc to gain health, lower fat, and improved fitness. I went from 13st 7lbs in January 2012 to 11st in March then completed a tough mudder in May 2012 with very little exercise. All of which I attribute to following the majority of the Primal/Paleo guidelines, particulary diet, sleep and stress.
                            I happened upon this article whilst searching for something that might be amiss with these guidelines as whilst I have had success, my wife hasn't and now over a year in, she's thinking of forgetting Primal/Paleo and adopting Weight Watchers again. This has been a source of stress between us (which I know doesn't help) but I'm running out of options.

                            I appreciate reading your rebuttals to the article I came across.
                            If that is your problem, then you need to post some details of her situation, women often respond differently to men and she may need to have a slightly higher carb intake and not dwell on IF just focus on good healthy foods.
                            "There are no short cuts to enlightenment, the journey is the destination, you have to walk this path alone"

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                            • #15
                              We're both eating good healthy foods I'd say 13 days out of 14. That 14th day would include a cheat meal not a whole cheat day. Say a bag of chips (fries) with ketchup for a meal, or a takeaway Indian or Chinese curry.
                              For the other 13 days her diet is typically 3 eggs scrambled in butter for breakfast, deli meat and boiled eggs or veggie omelettes for lunch (if she has lunch), then a large tea containing meat and veggie, anything from steak and sweet potatoe, to home made cottage pie (sweet potatoe topping) to slow cooked chicken curry to pork & parsnips etc. Generally teas for us are 90% what we have found from various Paleo recipe books (Sisson... Fragoso... etc). She doesn't drink any kind of hot drink, gets most of her fluid intake through sugar free dilute to taste Robinsons juice. Occasionally does dairy (slice of cheese) to snack or strawberries.
                              She is a work at home Mom looking after our 2 year old daughter and promoting Avon and Scentsy. Works out 3 to 4 times a week, normally circuit training for 30 minutes or 20 minutes tabata style kettlebell swings or a 40 minute heavy lifting session (when I get home from work, before we have tea). She also walks around 15-20 miles a week as we have one car which I use for work.
                              Pretty much the exact same weight, size, bf %, everything, even though she's been following this pattern for over a year. Something must be amiss.

                              Any pointers would be appreciated.
                              Last edited by jmottram; 03-23-2013, 02:18 PM. Reason: typos

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