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  • #31
    All grains are definitely different... I do alright with wheat, I love rice, but my gut seriously hates quinoa. Never tried buckwheat, something about the look of it just screams "don't eat me"

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    • #32
      Quinoa isn't even a grain, nor is buckwheat. Both are nasty as hell, too.

      Pancakes are the BOMB. I miss getting heart shaped pancakes for breakfast from an ex ;_; She made the best pies too...
      Make America Great Again

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      • #33
        Whatever quinoa is, it makes my intestines stage a mutiny against me. Might be the saponins.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by jmottram View Post
          We're both eating good healthy foods I'd say 13 days out of 14. That 14th day would include a cheat meal not a whole cheat day. Say a bag of chips (fries) with ketchup for a meal, or a takeaway Indian or Chinese curry.
          See, I don't regard those as cheats at all. So I think she's totally primal

          Originally posted by jmottram View Post
          For the other 13 days her diet is typically 3 eggs scrambled in butter for breakfast, deli meat and boiled eggs or veggie omelettes for lunch (if she has lunch), then a large tea containing meat and veggie, anything from steak and sweet potatoe, to home made cottage pie (sweet potatoe topping) to slow cooked chicken curry to pork & parsnips etc.
          All sounds good...

          Originally posted by jmottram View Post
          Generally teas for us are 90% what we have found from various Paleo recipe books (Sisson... Fragoso... etc). She doesn't drink any kind of hot drink, gets most of her fluid intake through sugar free dilute to taste Robinsons juice. Occasionally does dairy (slice of cheese) to snack or strawberries.
          The problem with sugar is consuming it to excess. There's nothing wrong with small amounts of it (that the liver can easily cope with). I think that most of the 'sugar free' alternatives are worse than sugar is.....

          Originally posted by jmottram View Post
          She is a work at home Mom looking after our 2 year old daughter and promoting Avon and Scentsy.
          Whoa. What are her stress levels? I mean, I firmly believe that diet is 80% of the solution, but the other 20% includes things like stress management and rest....

          Originally posted by jmottram View Post
          Works out 3 to 4 times a week, normally circuit training for 30 minutes or 20 minutes tabata style kettlebell swings or a 40 minute heavy lifting session (when I get home from work, before we have tea).
          Circuit training is a largely pointless, unless she's doing them for fun. And a 40 minute heavy lifting session? Sounds impossible. 10-15 minutes would probably be much more useful.

          Originally posted by jmottram View Post
          She also walks around 15-20 miles a week as we have one car which I use for work.
          Going for walks is great.

          Originally posted by jmottram View Post
          Pretty much the exact same weight, size, bf %, everything, even though she's been following this pattern for over a year. Something must be amiss.

          Any pointers would be appreciated.
          Here are some possibilities:
          1. She's already at her ideal body weight. Perhaps her mental image of her ideal self isn't the same as her actual ideal self?
          2. She has too much stress in her life, which is whacking her hormones
          3. She's eating the same portion sizes as you. As a generalisation, women need less than men.
          Disclaimer: I eat 'meat and vegetables' ala Primal, although I don't agree with the carb curve. I like Perfect Health Diet and WAPF Lactofermentation a lot.

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          5,000 Cal Fat <> 5,000 Cal Carbs
          Winterbike: What I eat every day is what other people eat to treat themselves.
          TQP: I find for me that nutrition is much more important than what I do in the gym.
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          • #35
            40 mins lifting is total time between the 2 of us (as we still have a child to keep busy).
            Current bodyweight is 224lbs at about 45% bf.
            Portion sizes feel right for us.

            Maybe it is stress? Which will be tricky one to overcome I feel. We switch off at 9 and hit bed at 10 so we're getting plenty of sleep.

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            • #36
              Circuit training would be 10 reps shoulder press, hip raises, squats, pressups (or other similar type movements), weighted where possible, repeated over and over for time with rest where needed.
              Is this no good then?

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              • #37
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                Originally posted by jmottram View Post
                40 mins lifting is total time between the 2 of us (as we still have a child to keep busy). Ok, that is much more reasonable. Do you guys have a home gym?

                Current bodyweight is 224lbs at about 45% bf. Although weight isn't the be-all and end-all, I agree that she can likely lose more fat. I think that bf% and waist size are much better health measurements for women than weight. And that fluctuations make daily measurements meaningless. Just focus on overall trends.

                Portion sizes feel right for us. Fair enough. What about snacking/desserts? Has she considered IF at all? For me personally, I find that if I have a good fatty breakfast, I only need to eat twice a day and I don't become incapacitated by hunger in the middle.

                Maybe it is stress? Which will be tricky one to overcome I feel. We switch off at 9 and hit bed at 10 so we're getting plenty of sleep.
                I'm jealous that you can both get plenty of sleep with a wee one in the house
                Disclaimer: I eat 'meat and vegetables' ala Primal, although I don't agree with the carb curve. I like Perfect Health Diet and WAPF Lactofermentation a lot.

                Griff's cholesterol primer
                5,000 Cal Fat <> 5,000 Cal Carbs
                Winterbike: What I eat every day is what other people eat to treat themselves.
                TQP: I find for me that nutrition is much more important than what I do in the gym.
                bloodorchid is always right

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                • #38
                  Neckhammer, calling grains nutritionally void is almost as stupid as calling ground beef nutritionally empty.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Forgotmylastusername View Post
                    Neckhammer, calling grains nutritionally void is almost as stupid as calling ground beef nutritionally empty.
                    I read that as being 'nutritionally void' relative to the calories ingested. I think that grains (and sugar) are pretty much the definition of empty calories.
                    Disclaimer: I eat 'meat and vegetables' ala Primal, although I don't agree with the carb curve. I like Perfect Health Diet and WAPF Lactofermentation a lot.

                    Griff's cholesterol primer
                    5,000 Cal Fat <> 5,000 Cal Carbs
                    Winterbike: What I eat every day is what other people eat to treat themselves.
                    TQP: I find for me that nutrition is much more important than what I do in the gym.
                    bloodorchid is always right

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                    • #40
                      Grains aren't quite in the same category as pure sugar, but yeah, in terms of nutrition per calorie, you're better off eating veggies, always.

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by 2ndChance View Post
                        Grains aren't quite in the same category as pure sugar, but yeah, in terms of nutrition per calorie, you're better off eating veggies, always.
                        Except veggies are basically all fiber..

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by Forgotmylastusername View Post
                          Neckhammer, calling grains nutritionally void is almost as stupid as calling ground beef nutritionally empty.
                          Ground beef is so much more nutritious they aren't even in the same league.

                          What do you want me to say? I mean without even taking negative impacts on gut health and bio-availability into consideration they still come in at the bottom of the list. Facts are facts. If you want calories/carbs... well they are good for that I guess. Just try to stck to the less problematic sorts and use traditional prep methods.
                          Last edited by Neckhammer; 03-24-2013, 06:33 PM.

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by Zach View Post
                            Except veggies are basically all fiber..
                            I mean, except for all the vitamin A, C, and K...

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by magicmerl View Post
                              I read that as being 'nutritionally void' relative to the calories ingested. I think that grains (and sugar) are pretty much the definition of empty calories.
                              Yeah so did I.

                              500 calories of 80/20 ground beef contains around


                              Thiamin 0.08514 mg 6%
                              Riboflavin 0.29304 mg 17%
                              Niacin 8.36946 mg 42%
                              Pantothenic Acid 0.99396 mg 10%
                              Folate 13.86 mcg 3%
                              Vitamin B6 0.63954 mg 32%
                              Vitamin B12 4.2372 mcg 71%

                              calcium 35.64 mg 4%
                              Iron 3.8412 mg 21%
                              Magnesium 33.66 mg 8%
                              Phosphorus 312.84 mg 31%
                              Potassium 534.6 mg 11%
                              Sodium 132.66 mg 6%
                              Zinc 8.2764 mg 55%
                              Copper 0.12078 mg 6%
                              Selenium 29.7 mcg 42%






                              500 calories of oats has roughly

                              Vitamin B6 0.16898 mg 8%
                              Thiamin 1.08346 mg 72%
                              Riboflavin 0.19738 mg 12%
                              Niacin 1.36462 mg 7%
                              Pantothenic Acid 1.91558 mg 19%
                              Folate 79.52 mcg 20%

                              Calcium 76.68 mg 8%
                              Iron 6.7024 mg 37%
                              Magnesium 251.34 mg 63%
                              Phosphorus 742.66 mg 74%
                              Potassium 609.18 mg 13%
                              Zinc 5.6374 mg 38%
                              Copper 0.88892 mg 44%
                              Manganese 6.98072 mg 349%


                              To call one "nutritionally void" is plain stupid. You can also add beta glucan and other flavanoids which oats contain.

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                              • #45
                                What's the nutritional profile of cooked oats?
                                Disclaimer: I eat 'meat and vegetables' ala Primal, although I don't agree with the carb curve. I like Perfect Health Diet and WAPF Lactofermentation a lot.

                                Griff's cholesterol primer
                                5,000 Cal Fat <> 5,000 Cal Carbs
                                Winterbike: What I eat every day is what other people eat to treat themselves.
                                TQP: I find for me that nutrition is much more important than what I do in the gym.
                                bloodorchid is always right

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