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  • #16
    Originally posted by ChocoTaco369 View Post
    Butter isn't food. It's rendered fat. It's a cooking tool so foods don't stick to your pan, or a flavoring agent. Eating butter by the slice is like eating salt by the spoonful or taking a tablespoon to a bag of sugar. It's no different - lots of calories, not very much nutrition. Stick to eating real food and using butter as a tool, not a significant source of calories, and you'll reach your goals much more easily.

    I disagree. Paleo is about eating real food. Butter is a processed, rendered fat, not a whole food. It's not unhealthy by any stretch, but it's silly to eat it as food. Again, would you take a spoon to a bag of sugar and start eating? It's really no different. Stuff like bulletproof coffee and the like is total faileo.
    Butter is no more "processed" than white rice is. Why is it okay to eat a "pure starch" but not a "pure fat" again?

    Actually, that's a bad analogy, because there's a lot of positive nutrition in the grass-fed butter we eat. CLA, K2, omega-3's. I'm not saying white rice is the devil, but it can't compare nutritionally to good butter.

    Now if someone's eating so much butter that it's displacing more nutritious foods from their diet, it could become a problem for sure. But a paper-thin slice of Kerrygold here and there is a satiating indulgence and your constant railing against it is really unfounded in fact or logic.
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    • #17
      If butter is processed, then so is every piece of anything we eat, unless we're picking it out of the ground and eating it in the field, or taking bites out of hanging dead animals.

      Definition: A culinary term for melting and clarifying hard animal fat for cooking purposes. Rendering can be done by dry heat or wet heat. The fat is slowly cooked until it melts, and is then strained of impurities from the cooking process. (For example, cracklings are the remnants of rendering pork fat.) The rendered fat can be refrigerated or frozen for months.
      Source: Render Definition - Meat & Game Cooking - What is Rendering

      And that is not how butter is made.

      Anyway, to the OP, I like butter in my coffee - about a half to 3/4 of a tablespoon. And eggs taste fanfreakin'tastic fried in butter. Coconut oil is good for some things, but nothing replaces the flavor of butter to me. And to think I wasted years using lower calorie butter replacements. :::hangs head in shame:::
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      • #18
        I don't really ever eat it plain. I use it for cooking or lubricating pans so that things I'm roasting/baking don't stick.

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        • #19
          If I make butter from my own cow's milk, sometimes I like to... lick it... I mean, ya'll talk about kerrygold... And I'm sittin' over here thinkin' ya'll are crazy because that stuff tastes like nothing to me.

          And, butter is not rendered fat. Rendered means to be heated. Lard is rendered. So is tallow. BUTTER is simply CREAM that has been shaken up in some shape or form. For me anyway. I guess store butter is pasteurized. But that still isn't rendered.

          When I make butter, I make it in small batches because I have a small cow that produces a small amount of cream (in comparison to other cows) So, I literally dump approx 16 ounces of cream into a quart jar... and get this... I shake it. Just shake the sucker. Takes about 1/2 hour. Before I know it I have a glob of beautiful, fresh, pure, butter.

          If I'm feeling lazy, I put it in the blender and have it in 2 minutes.

          Choco, my dear, normally I enjoy and tend to agree with many of your posts, but on this TEENY item, you have been misinformed.
          The process is simple: Free your mind, and your ass will follow.

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          • #20
            Oh, I forgot to mention... I use butter whenever I can. It is my one and only cooking oil. I put it on all veggies that I have cooked. Goes in my burgers and on my steaks. This is not a primal change. I used butter in the same fashion preprimal.

            As Julia Child said- "You can never have too much butter." And, "If you're afraid of butter, use cream."

            She was also the one who said "Fat gives things flavor." Woman was a genius in the kitchen.
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            • #21
              Originally posted by ChocoTaco369 View Post
              Butter isn't food. It's rendered fat.

              >>snip>>

              I disagree. Paleo is about eating real food. Butter is a processed, rendered fat, not a whole food.
              do you have any idea how butter is actually made? it's simply churned cream. cream mixed and mixed til it turns sorta solid. it's not "rendered", nor is it "processed" by any stretch of the imagination. good, grass-fed butter is the same today as it was thousands of years ago.

              it's not much different than eating fresh cheese.


              Originally posted by Gladmorning View Post
              If I make butter from my own cow's milk, sometimes I like to...
              zomg, am i jealous. we get organic, local grass-fed cream and milk, and it's ambrosia from the gods. how i wish they made butter.

              to the op: sometimes if i am prepping a meal but starving i will have a little slice, but mostly i have it with eggs, over veggies or a melted dollop in bone broth.
              As I ate the oysters with their strong taste of the sea and their faint metallic taste that the cold white wine washed away, leaving only the sea taste and the succulent texture, and as I drank their cold liquid from each shell and washed it down with the crisp taste of the wine, I lost the empty feeling and began to be happy and to make plans.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by RichMahogany View Post
                Butter is no more "processed" than white rice is. Why is it okay to eat a "pure starch" but not a "pure fat" again?

                Actually, that's a bad analogy, because there's a lot of positive nutrition in the grass-fed butter we eat. CLA, K2, omega-3's. I'm not saying white rice is the devil, but it can't compare nutritionally to good butter.

                Now if someone's eating so much butter that it's displacing more nutritious foods from their diet, it could become a problem for sure. But a paper-thin slice of Kerrygold here and there is a satiating indulgence and your constant railing against it is really unfounded in fact or logic.
                I rarely ever eat white rice. If I do, it's in small quantities mixed into the food for texture - like in sushi. This is similar to using butter to cook or flavor your food. I've never eaten a plain bowl of white rice just like I wouldn't eat butter plain.
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                • #23
                  Originally posted by noodletoy View Post
                  do you have any idea how butter is actually made? it's simply churned cream. cream mixed and mixed til it turns sorta solid. it's not "rendered", nor is it "processed" by any stretch of the imagination. good, grass-fed butter is the same today as it was thousands of years ago.

                  Do you understand what "rendering" is? Milk is a whole food. From there, the cream is separated. Then, it is churned for a long time. That is a rendering process. Butter is subject to multi-step processing. There is no way to get butter in nature. It is useful, it is healthy in appropriate quantities, but it is not real food. It is more processed than honey and about as processed as a whole sugar like sucanat. In context, it's like eating honey by the tablespoon. I can understand the occasional taste - I mean who has never taken a teaspoon of honey? But to eat it like it's food...I'd pass.

                  [QUOTE=noodletoy;1134972]it's not much different than eating fresh cheese.

                  Not even on the same planet. Cheese is much more nutritious per calorie and a great source of protein. Cheese is very anabolic and makes you strong. Butter just makes you gain fat eating it like real food.
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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by ChocoTaco369 View Post
                    Do you understand what "rendering" is? Milk is a whole food. From there, the cream is separated.
                    Have you ever seen unhomogenized milk? The cream sits on the top and can be scooped off. Saying this is "processing" is like saying pulling a potato out of the ground is "processing."

                    Originally posted by ChocoTaco369 View Post
                    Then, it is churned for a long time.
                    Oh, the industrial chemical solvent process known as "churning...."

                    Originally posted by ChocoTaco369 View Post
                    That is a rendering process.
                    I really don't think it is according to my understanding of the word "render," but I could be wrong and not interested in a battle over semantics and vocabulary

                    Originally posted by ChocoTaco369 View Post
                    Butter is subject to multi-step processing.
                    So is a sliced apple. Step 1: remove apple from tree, Step 2, slice apple with knife. Multiple step processing. You're being ridiculous.

                    Originally posted by ChocoTaco369 View Post
                    There is no way to get butter in nature.
                    Where does one get it then? Have you ever seen Little House on the Prairie? You milk the cow, put the cream in a wooden deal, and mash it with a stick for a while. Butter. What part of that takes place "outside nature?"

                    Originally posted by ChocoTaco369 View Post
                    Cheese is much more nutritious per calorie and a great source of protein. Cheese is very anabolic and makes you strong. Butter just makes you gain fat eating it like real food.
                    So butter is not food because it's more processed than honey, but cheese is food (despite being more processed than butter) because you like its nutritional profile better than butter? You're talking out both sides of your mouth, Sir.
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                    • #25
                      I posted that rendering is the melting of hard fat on page two of this thread. Churning is not rendering. Milk an animal. Cream floats to top. Stick cream in blender. Turn blender on. Watch what happens.

                      Cutting a cow into given cuts is a process. Cooking the different cuts is a process.

                      IOW, unless you're living without knives, fire, blenders, etc., you're processing your food.
                      "Right is right, even if no one is doing it; wrong is wrong, even if everyone is doing it." - St. Augustine

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                      Who says back fat is a bad thing? Maybe on a hairy guy at the beach, but not on a crab.

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                      • #26
                        I am enjoying this thread, and if I wasn't in the middle of an IF, I'd be enjoying it with a pat of grass-fed butter.

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                        • #27
                          Please, the fallacies are ridiculous. You can pick an apple off a tree. You cannot get butter anywhere but the grocery store. It has to be made. It isn't a whole food and it isn't nutritious on a calorie-per-calorie basis versus any meat, fruit or vegetable. People on this site eat slices of butter, blend butter in their coffee and then wonder why they plateau. It's insane. A 400 calorie coffee made from blended butter is no different than a 400 calorie latte loaded with sugar. So maybe you get some Vitamin A and K in there. Using honey to make your 400 calorie latte is just as nutritious. Using molasses would be more nutritious than butter.

                          The point is this: would you eat a jar of honey or drink a glass of maple syrup? If your answer is yes, by all means at butter. It's the same principle.
                          Don't put your trust in anyone on this forum, including me. You are the key to your own success.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by ChocoTaco369 View Post
                            Please, the fallacies are ridiculous. You can pick an apple off a tree. You cannot get butter anywhere but the grocery store. It has to be made. It isn't a whole food and it isn't nutritious on a calorie-per-calorie basis versus any meat, fruit or vegetable. People on this site eat slices of butter, blend butter in their coffee and then wonder why they plateau. It's insane. A 400 calorie coffee made from blended butter is no different than a 400 calorie latte loaded with sugar. So maybe you get some Vitamin A and K in there. Using honey to make your 400 calorie latte is just as nutritious. Using molasses would be more nutritious than butter.

                            The point is this: would you eat a jar of honey or drink a glass of maple syrup? If your answer is yes, by all means at butter. It's the same principle.
                            After you cut the core out of the apple it's not a "whole food" either.

                            What's "insane" is to imagine that everybody who eats butter is fat. That's nonsense, pure wishful thinking on your part. I'm thinner than I've been in 30 years and still losing weight. And I eat fat.

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                            • #29
                              White rice is an excellent source to get fast glucose or to refill glycogen after exercise; butter on the other hand gives you FFA in your blood stream and refill body fat. Years ago I thought that white rice was the devil, but it is a really good carb to shuttle glucose fast into the muscles. A small/moderate portion of rice together with some white potatoes is a very good post workout combo in my experience…
                              "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident."

                              - Schopenhauer

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by ChocoTaco369 View Post
                                Please, the fallacies are ridiculous. You can pick an apple off a tree. You cannot get butter anywhere but the grocery store. It has to be made. It isn't a whole food and it isn't nutritious on a calorie-per-calorie basis versus any meat, fruit or vegetable. People on this site eat slices of butter, blend butter in their coffee and then wonder why they plateau. It's insane. A 400 calorie coffee made from blended butter is no different than a 400 calorie latte loaded with sugar. So maybe you get some Vitamin A and K in there. Using honey to make your 400 calorie latte is just as nutritious. Using molasses would be more nutritious than butter.

                                The point is this: would you eat a jar of honey or drink a glass of maple syrup? If your answer is yes, by all means at butter. It's the same principle.
                                You can't pick a steak off a tree. Gotta get it at the grocery store. You can't pick cheese off a tree. Gotta get it at the grocery store. You can't pick eggs off a tree, much less scrambled eggs or an omelet. Churned cream is called butter. Butter is food. Real, whole food. How much CLA is there in maple syrup again? How much K2 in honey?
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