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    Once again I return for advice. I was advised last time that my meal choices were responsible for headaches (too much starch.) and inflammation. I took that advice to heart and haven't had a notable headache since.

    First off, I have my ups and downs. Today is a down day. Recently, for about a week now, I've upped my fat and protein intake. Eggs with occasionally a little chicken mixed in and about 1/3 a cup of yams makes my breakfast. I'll have a big salad with lunch and dinner. Along with more meat, usually beef. I'm getting about 140+grams of protein a day. I also have about 1-2 tablespoons of olive oil, and 1-2 tablespoons of coconut oil. 1 tsp of butter maybe. Carbs are usually 40-90, 100 tops. Fats are a good 40-60 percent of my intake, usually.

    I started the primal fitness on friday. To be honest, I was psyched on friday, but yesterday I couldn't finish, it gave me a headache. I thought I was over the carb flu. But now I've got pain in new spots in my knees, upper back. A huge brain fog. No motivation. My walk today wasn't all that fun. My muscles are twitching, and I'm going to take an emergency ibuprofen here soon.

    I'll admit, for the past 2 days I haven't had as many veggies, mostly meats. Mostly fat, oils, and meats. Also, its been about 3 days since I started on some whey protein and introduced dairy back into my diet. I suppose I might be sensitive, but I never heard of dairy doing all that. Nevertheless I'm going to lay off the dairy for awhile anyway.

    I get tons of omega 3 from flax milk. Not sure whats going wrong at this point. Any advice would be appreciated. Maybe this is a nutrient deficiency. Of course, I've heard that too much protein can cause gout. I don't know.

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    First, flax milk is poison. Second, you are probably getting way too much polyunsaturated fat and protein and its causing sever inflammation. Twitching muscles could be a deficiency in minerals. My advice is going to be the opposite of the original advice you got, up the carbs, lower the fat and protein. If starch doesnt agree with you then try fruit, or both.

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    • #3
      is 18g too much polyunsaturated? and why is flax milk poison? I'm definitely going to cut the meat a little bit for awhile. Damn, I felt so good and energetic this weekend.

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      • #4
        Flax is very prone to oxidization and rancidity, also i dont know what brand you are using but the one i looked at was loaded with synthetic chemicals and gums/fillers. The omega 3s in flax are not even the right form and have to getting changed in the body by a very inefficient process. Get your omega 3s from some cod liver oil or better yet, just eat grass fed meat, pastured eggs and wild fish.
        Last edited by Zach; 03-19-2013, 06:32 PM.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Zach View Post
          First, flax milk is poison. Second, you are probably getting way too much polyunsaturated fat and protein and its causing sever inflammation. Twitching muscles could be a deficiency in minerals. My advice is going to be the opposite of the original advice you got, up the carbs, lower the fat and protein. If starch doesnt agree with you then try fruit, or both.
          She already eat yams for breakfast. While carbs are good, there's nothing magical about it instead of fat as an energy source.

          Totally agree on the muscle/minerals thing. tzulogic, have you heard of Himilayan Pink Salt?

          Agree on the flax milk too. Eat whole fish like sardines, salmon and tuna for 03.

          Originally posted by tzulogic View Post
          is 18g too much polyunsaturated? and why is flax milk poison? I'm definitely going to cut the meat a little bit for awhile. Damn, I felt so good and energetic this weekend.
          Yeah, 1-2g is a better target than 18g. Too much O3 is as bad as too much O6 (it's just that most foods have far more O6 than O3).

          Don't cut out the meat. In fact, you should look beyond muscle meats into organ meats, which are far and away the most nutritious foods out there. Plus, they are cheap too!
          Disclaimer: I eat 'meat and vegetables' ala Primal, although I don't agree with the carb curve. I like Perfect Health Diet and WAPF Lactofermentation a lot.

          Griff's cholesterol primer
          5,000 Cal Fat <> 5,000 Cal Carbs
          Winterbike: What I eat every day is what other people eat to treat themselves.
          TQP: I find for me that nutrition is much more important than what I do in the gym.
          bloodorchid is always right

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          • #6
            I agree with Zach on the flax milk. You are taking in a lot of PUFA for a small and sub-optimal form of omega 3's. Aside from all the fillers in the milk, it is also fortified with synthetic vitamins most likely. Even if you are making it yourself without all the extra fillers it is still not worth it if the only reason you are drinking it is for omega 3's. There are so many better whole food sources.
            "If man made it, don't eat it" - Jack Lallane

            People say I am on a "crazy" diet. What is so crazy about eating veggies, fruits, seafood and organ meats? Just because I don't eat whole wheat and processed food doesn't make my diet "crazy". Maybe everyone else with a SAD are the "crazy" ones for putting that junk in their system.

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            • #7
              Flax Milk: Unsweetened

              This stuff seems to be doing great for my joints. I was amazed how good my joints were doing with all the walking I do. In the past attempts at regular walking my knees really acted up. I drink this stuff about 3 times a day. I have the option of taking a fish supplement as well.

              I cant afford the other recommendations. I've got about 200 towards food a month. Less, if you count filtered water and coffee.

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              • #8
                On that particular brand the thing that stands out on the ingredient label is that there are way too many things on that list. Canola oil, big no-no. Then there is the Xantham gum, guar gum, and carageenan. Do a search on this site or on google as to what the negative affects of those gums especially on intestinal distress. If you really like the flax milk and you gotta have it, I would just make it myself.
                "If man made it, don't eat it" - Jack Lallane

                People say I am on a "crazy" diet. What is so crazy about eating veggies, fruits, seafood and organ meats? Just because I don't eat whole wheat and processed food doesn't make my diet "crazy". Maybe everyone else with a SAD are the "crazy" ones for putting that junk in their system.

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                • #9
                  No. I'll switch to taking fish oil. it's got Gelatin, Glycerin, Mixed Natural Tocopherols...as well as anchovy, mackerel, and sardine. How's that?

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                  • #10
                    Brain Fog is often a sign of gluten intake in sensitive individuals. Check for cross contamination, or possible hidden gluten sources in any of the products you use. EG, maltodextrose, colours, flavours etc. The signs of glutening do not have to happen immediately upon ingestion - they can be up to a couple of days later depending on how your gut works.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by magicmerl View Post
                      She already eat yams for breakfast. While carbs are good, there's nothing magical about it instead of fat as an energy source.

                      Totally agree on the muscle/minerals thing. tzulogic, have you heard of Himilayan Pink Salt?

                      Agree on the flax milk too. Eat whole fish like sardines, salmon and tuna for 03.


                      Yeah, 1-2g is a better target than 18g. Too much O3 is as bad as too much O6 (it's just that most foods have far more O6 than O3).

                      Don't cut out the meat. In fact, you should look beyond muscle meats into organ meats, which are far and away the most nutritious foods out there. Plus, they are cheap too!
                      Thanks for the salt recommendation, it looks intriguing. I'm reading about it. I've got beef liver in my fridge. One thing I've noticed is a ton of Selenium in my diet. It was recommended that I get 70 percent of my weight in protein. But meat if full of selenium and all the other stuff..so I added whey. But I might look into alternatives like concentrated egg protein. But I'm kind of worried about gout too.

                      Fortunately the muscle twitchy thing was only today, and It's gone now.

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                      • #12
                        Stop jumping around, chopping and changing.
                        Choose a dietary mix and stay there.
                        Get Carbs at around 150g, don't stress over the exact amount, anywhere between 100 to 200 g, you shouldn't need to calculate this after a while, it will be obvious in the meals, if you have a higher carb day, then ease of on the fats and vice versa.

                        Get plenty of and good variety in fruit, veg, and smaller amounts of but good variety of nuts.
                        Keep all bones from roast meals etc. and make up some bone stocks.
                        Keep protien amounts fairly constant, but vary the sources.
                        Agree with others, ditch the Flax seed, too many questionable issues.

                        When your body is in a fragile state, then even positive changes can result in negative impacts if too rapid.
                        Settle down, curb your enthusiasm, by all means take on board positive results and feelings, but temper these down, you may get days where you feel full of energy and could concour the world, be aware though if you try there is a likelihood you will feel bad for a good time afterward.

                        If you are feeling particularly good, yes get out and enjoy it, but pace yourself and keep the brakes on lightly, better you let your body use that energy for healing than burning it all up in a big workout.

                        Healing your body will take quite a long time and you won't be running any marathons in the near future, so relax, bed in your process and be gentle with your body.
                        "There are no short cuts to enlightenment, the journey is the destination, you have to walk this path alone"

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                        • #13
                          You could be low on electrolytes. Have you tried making your own beef or chicken stock? Simmered with onions, celery, carrots and a healthy dose of sea salt.....it is delicious and nutritious. I would also suggest adding in some magnesium - topical magnesium works great for me. Some people like the Natural Calm brand.

                          Some people don't do well with lots of eggs, so you could try eliminating those for a few days.
                          Using low lectin/nightshade free primal to control autoimmune arthritis. (And lost 50 lbs along the way )

                          http://www.krispin.com/lectin.html

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                          • #14
                            Is this viewable? What I ate today. Might eat a bit more salad.
                            http://paleotrack.com/journal/20130319
                            3 large Egg, whole, cooked, fried 18.8
                            0.2 lbs Chicken breast tenders, cooked, microwaved 14.8
                            2 A scoop Huckleberries Whey 32
                            1 serving Some Salad 8.3
                            0.4 lbs Beef, ground, 80% lean meat / 20% fat, patty, cooked, broiled 46.7
                            2 medium Carrots, raw 1.1
                            0.5 cup, packed Raisins, seeded 2.1
                            0.5 cup Seeds, sunflower seed kernels, dried 14.5
                            Also coconut milk,almond milk, and flax milk.
                            My ratios are :Source Calories Quantity
                            Protein 26% 138g
                            Fat 44% 103g
                            Carbs 29% 153g
                            For today. A big spike in carbs.
                            I found maltodextrin on my schiff probiotic...hmm
                            Last edited by tzulogic; 03-19-2013, 07:25 PM.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Zach View Post
                              Flax is very prone to oxidization and rancidity, also i dont know what brand you are using but the one i looked at was loaded with synthetic chemicals and gums/fillers. The omega 3s in flax are not even the right form and have to getting changed in the body by a very inefficient process. Get your omega 3s from some cod liver oil or better yet, just eat grass fed meat, pastured eggs and wild fish.
                              I never thought I'd agree with this guy on much of anything but thumbs up on all of this at least.
                              "The cling and a clang is the metal in my head when I walk. I hear a sort of, this tinging noise - cling clang. The cling clang. So many things happen while walking. The metal in my head clangs and clings as I walk - freaks my balance out. So the natural thought is just clogged up. Totally clogged up. So we need to unplug these dams, and make the the natural flow... It sort of freaks me out. We need to unplug the dams. You cannot stop the natural flow of thought with a cling and a clang..."

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