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  • #16
    Honestly, you are on a primal website. No one is going to advocate what you are doing now.

    Eat meat, vegetables, fruits, fish, fowl and good fats. Avoid gluten/grains, soy, sugar, vegetable oils. For me "low carb" is irrelevant. Don't worry about your macros until you have the food choices down. (hint, without grains and sugar, it's hard to eat a lot of carbs). Lift heavy things, do long and slow cardio and HIIT training.

    If you half ass it, don't be surprised if it doesn't work.

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    • #17
      i'd be thinking more about set-point right now, not starvation mode. your body may not want to go lower. at your height and weight, most would consider you very thin.

      the cals supposedly burned on those machines are ballpark estimates at best, and include your bmr. drop most of the cardio and start lifting. it will help with body recomp and you will "look smaller", and be stronger, instead of obsessed about a number on the scale.

      and as mentioned upthread, i think you have a very skewed perception of how the japanese actually eat. lots of fish, lots of pork. the average japanese person eats 1/2 pound of fish per day. some fermented veggies and fermented soy products. ever get a bowl of miso soup? it has a few tiny bits of tofu in it. small servings of rice.
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      • #18
        The Japanese government is concerned about people who rely heavily on the traditional diet of white rice, pickles, and miso soup 3 times a day. Such people are often bedridden in their old age, unlike those who eat more meat and vegetables and live long, productive lives.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by noodletoy View Post
          and as mentioned upthread, i think you have a very skewed perception of how the japanese actually eat. lots of fish, lots of pork. the average japanese person eats 1/2 pound of fish per day. some fermented veggies and fermented soy products. ever get a bowl of miso soup? it has a few tiny bits of tofu in it. small servings of rice.
          I lived in Japan for four years as a teenager and my father and brothers live and work there today. What Noodle says is true. They don't eat big grilled blocks of tofu for dinner. They eat seafood, pork, sometimes chicken and very little beef. Beef is mainly found in the Western restaurants and steak houses rather than in the little Mom and pop joints. Lots of sea vegetables and fermented foods. Yes, they eat quite a bit of white rice. Soy is a condiment though not a main course.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by VeggieLover View Post
            I had my thyroid checked years agao, when I took that drug. I was severely anemic, had low thyroid and no hormones. Now I am on thyroid meds, my t4 is in range but on the low end, so am starting to adjust dosing this week. i have been taking an extremely high compounded dose for years bc my body seems to have a hard time absorbing it. This could still be related to some gut issues that I have, which are slowly on the mend.

            I am 5'6 115, would like to get back down to 110, which to me is where I naturally was for years and years. I have always been thin, so please don't just by these numbers. I feel healthiest and look my best at that weight.

            Do I just give up all the cardio for some time and switch to low carb?
            Thyroid problems and very low carb are a recipe for disaster and sounds like you are part way there.
            Do you have the rest of your thyroid numbers TSH & FT3 ?
            The fact that you have been on strong medication for years and have a history of major hormonal upsets indicates to me your focus should be purely on whatever you can do to benefit your health.
            You will need to engage fully in understanding what your test results indicate, if you continue to simply rely on the system to tell you your numbers are fine, then you will continue to be in the same place.

            I don't think I am far from the truth when I say everyone here is slowly becoming a specialist in their own body, different angles because everyone has different ills, but when they talk about their thing, they can mix it with the best Doc's.
            So you either become an active participant and make demands on the system or just remain a recipeint and be happy with what the system gives you.
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            • #21
              I am 5'6 115, would like to get back down to 110, which to me is where I naturally was for years and years. I have always been thin, so please don't just by these numbers. I feel healthiest and look my best at that weight.
              That sounds like anorexia-territory to me. Any wonder you haven't had a period? No way am I going to support you in losing more weight.

              For the record, I am 5'6" and small-boned.
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              • #22
                Originally posted by Dragonfly View Post
                That sounds like anorexia-territory to me. Any wonder you haven't had a period? No way am I going to support you in losing more weight.

                For the record, I am 5'6" and small-boned.
                HA if you have read above what I wrote, this is unrelated to my weight. I used to get my period at a much lower weight (108) and then I took some drug that just screwed things up. Not anorexia at all, but thanks for your concern.

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                • #23
                  That may be, but if you want your period back, losing more weight isn't going to get you there.

                  It sounds like you are malnourished at the moment, partly due to your digestive issues, I imagine.

                  I'd highly recommend a nutrient-dense high fat fertility diet along with sorting out your digestive issues for 6-9 months before trying to drop the body fat. Here's a blog post that may be helpful:

                  http://www.sondrarose.com/optimum-fertility-nutrition

                  Adding in some weight-lifting to increase your lean body mass will also help, but you will have to give up the idea of weighing 110 lbs.
                  Last edited by Dragonfly; 03-16-2013, 04:00 PM.
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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Dragonfly View Post
                    That may be, but if you want your period back, losing more weight isn't going to get you there.

                    It sounds like you are malnourished at the moment, partly due to your digestive issues, I imagine.

                    I'd highly recommend a nutrient-dense high fat fertility diet along with sorting out your digestive issues for 6-9 months before trying to drop the body fat. Here's a blog post that may be helpful:

                    Optimum Fertility ~ Nutrition - Sondra Rose: Happy Mind

                    Adding in some weight-lifting to increase your lean body mass will also help, but you will have to give up the idea of weighing 110 lbs.
                    this, seriously think about what youre saying. i was without a period for 8+ years and only recently got it back in November. NUTS=fertility....gorge on
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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by MalPaz View Post
                      this, seriously think about what youre saying. i was without a period for 8+ years and only recently got it back in November. NUTS=fertility....gorge on
                      Congrats, Mal! I'm really happy to hear your news!!
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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by VeggieLover View Post
                        I am 5'6 115, would like to get back down to 110, which to me is where I naturally was for years and years. I have always been thin, so please don't just by these numbers. I feel healthiest and look my best at that weight.
                        I'm sorry to be so blunt but there is no way someone is "naturally" 110 and 5'6". That is a good 20 lbs under what would be considered fashion model slim. I agree with Dragonfly. This is a case of anorexia and a severely warped body image. I really hope you can (and choose to) get some help with that.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by MalPaz View Post
                          this, seriously think about what youre saying. i was without a period for 8+ years and only recently got it back in November. NUTS=fertility....gorge on
                          Hiya, Mal. Haven't seen you around much lately but good to know you are doing well.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Dragonfly View Post
                            That may be, but if you want your period back, losing more weight isn't going to get you there.

                            It sounds like you are malnourished at the moment, partly due to your digestive issues, I imagine.

                            I'd highly recommend a nutrient-dense high fat fertility diet along with sorting out your digestive issues for 6-9 months before trying to drop the body fat. Here's a blog post that may be helpful:

                            Optimum Fertility ~ Nutrition - Sondra Rose: Happy Mind

                            Adding in some weight-lifting to increase your lean body mass will also help, but you will have to give up the idea of weighing 110 lbs.
                            This is great, thank you.

                            I swear to you, I have always been very thin, so please don't push this anorexia body image on me. I have good thoughts on my body (at one point I was very very malnourished due to digestive issues and that is the only time I felt like I had a very skewed view of myself)

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                            • #29
                              You may have good thoughts about your body but your stated diet is punishing it. You're not giving it the fuel it needs to support any physical activity. Adding strength training and a healthier diet would be ideal, but I wouldn't suggest weight training unless you were willing to eat more protein. I'm a little horrified at what you must be doing to your bones - aging isn't going to be fun.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by VeggieLover View Post
                                This is great, thank you.

                                I swear to you, I have always been very thin, so please don't push this anorexia body image on me. I have good thoughts on my body (at one point I was very very malnourished due to digestive issues and that is the only time I felt like I had a very skewed view of myself)
                                The fact is at face value the numbers seem to indicate underweight, but that may be simply because you do have a very slender build, without a full close up examination no one here can really know, but it may also be because of low bone density again, we don't know, the point for you to take on board is that even though you may have always been in that weight range, it may not necesarily be ideal for you, if it is your bone density, this could easily add 10lb without any external dimensional changes.
                                Slightly related anecdote - I had lived with a number of different little symptoms all my life, never really been sick though, I just assumed these things were a part of "me" and would have argued so, I started my Primal/Paleo journey simply as a bit of health insurance, and gradually some of these symptoms faded away and it took me a while to accept that there was a different me, now I wonder how many more things may change and how long it will be before I can meet the "most complete" me possible, so I remain open to future developements.

                                All I suggest is to keep an open mind and allow the possibility, don't rely totally on the scales and your preconcieved opinions, use other measures like your performance capabilities, how far can you throw a set weight, how many situps in a minute, how long does it take you to run or walk a set distance etc. etc. if these things improve over time as you go on then that is an indication of improving fitness, sometimes the tape measure and how clothes fit is a better guide than the scales, just some ideas.

                                We could be here in 3 years and you may be super fit/healthy and still at 110lb or you might be 125lb but still the same dress size, the figure doesn't really matter being healthy is the main goal, don't really matter who's right or wrong.
                                Last edited by Omni; 03-17-2013, 02:55 PM.
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