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  • Obesity Paradox - cuddly may be healthier

    Just stumbled across this:
    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/18/he...an-weight.html

    Looks like BMI of 25-30, or even 35 possibly has lower mortality risk than "Normal" BMI of 18-25.

    Being fit is more important than looking fit, lean may actually be unhealthy.
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    Yeah. Especially as you get older. Thin is great for vanity, hell, that's my reason, but carrying a little extra weight is best for health especially as one gets older. More cushioning when the elderly falls and generally better health than one who loses their appetite and the corresponding weight loss.
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    • #3
      Chris Kresser did a good write-up on this recently:
      Do fat people live longer?

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      • #4
        This makes me happy to keep focusing on building strength and ignore the scale. I can deadlift my body weight, so I assume BMI means nothing.

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        • #5
          And when the zombies come, people with a slightly higher bmi will have more time to find food sources. 10% body fat will soon be gone. 50%+ body fat won't be able to escape. So the lightly plump will survive.
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          • #6
            If fat storage is indeed our evolutionary design as a survival mechanism...this makes total sense.

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            • #7
              Being fatter is deffo not better for my knees though
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              • #8
                Meh, doesnt mean you cant be lean and healthy. Most just toss health in the backseat in pursuit of leanness.

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                • #9
                  Having actually read this article there's a couple points I'd like to draw your attention to.

                  Obesity is the primary risk factor for Type 2 diabetes, yet sizable numbers of normal-weight people also develop the disease. Why?
                  Because thin people in Western countries also cram too much processed food down their throats?

                  Diabetes patients of normal weight are twice as likely to die as those who are overweight or obese.
                  Because the medical establishment equates thinness with health, so obese patients are more pressured to make lifestyle improvements? How many of us have heard someone say that somebody can 'get away with' eating sugary, unhealthy food because the person is skinny?

                  I don't know for sure if I'm right, or that points about having more fat reserves making one more resilient to cancer treatments, surgeries, and dialysis aren't also true. But those were a couple thoughts I had right off the bat.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by s-piper View Post
                    Having actually read this article there's a couple points I'd like to draw your attention to.



                    Because thin people in Western countries also cram too much processed food down their throats?



                    Because the medical establishment equates thinness with health, so obese patients are more pressured to make lifestyle improvements? How many of us have heard someone say that somebody can 'get away with' eating sugary, unhealthy food because the person is skinny?

                    I don't know for sure if I'm right, or that points about having more fat reserves making one more resilient to cancer treatments, surgeries, and dialysis aren't also true. But those were a couple thoughts I had right off the bat.

                    I feel its both, Spiper. Obese and overweight people are focused on more to change diet/lifestyle, but they also have more room for error. Leaner people with metabolic syndrome may be deathly ill inside and most healthcare professionals won't be able to see it with mere glances.

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                    • #11
                      Why is it whenever observational studies are done which conclude that meat is associated with cancer risk; everyones response on here boils down to "lol science!" "grok ate meat for millions of years so that means I should too!" etc
                      But when other observational studies are posted, people are happy to use it as evidence for their own theories on health on fitness?
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by AMonkey View Post
                        Why is it whenever observational studies are done which conclude that meat is associated with cancer risk; everyones response on here boils down to "lol science!" "grok ate meat for millions of years so that means I should too!" etc
                        But when other observational studies are posted, people are happy to use it as evidence for their own theories on health on fitness?
                        Shhh

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                        • #13
                          BMI is crap.

                          Aside form that I think we all know that single digit body fat isn't a necessity to good health. Higher BMI is only gonna be protective if you are sufficiently strong.

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                          • #14
                            I don't know that this one does support Primal. A lot of people here want to lose weight and/or get below a specific body fat level.

                            I was even making the point that this correlation may be a false one. That finding that overweight people are at lower risk for death than normal weight people with the same chronic diseases is caused by factors other than just weight.
                            Others are also saying that this may support the idea that BMI is a lousy indicator of health.

                            And overall, Primal doesn't really say anything about what the 'ideal' bodyweight range is.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by s-piper View Post
                              I was even making the point that this correlation may be a false one. That finding that overweight people are at lower risk for death than normal weight people with the same chronic diseases is caused by factors other than just weight.
                              Others are also saying that this may support the idea that BMI is a lousy indicator of health.
                              That's my take. It may turn out that overweight isn't healthier once we suss out cofounders. But that would still mean that BMI isn't all that useful.

                              I'm at about 30 right now, putting me right at the overweight/moderately obsese. I'd like to loose some more, for asthetic and atheletic reasons but to get to ideal BMI, I'd have to get to lose over 40lbs. I dont' want to lose 40lbs. I'd be a scarecrow.

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