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    i see a lot of people saying that carbs don't matter. I get that calories matter, and that you need to eat a reasonable amount of food. However, I can say that only by getting rid of grains, sugars, and artificial sweeteners can I manage to eat a reasonable amount. For the very first time in my life I'm not snacky all the time. For the first time in my life I don't NEED to eat constantly or I will get low blood sugar. For the first time I have will power. It feels nothing short of miraculous. I am tracking my calories/nutrition using fitday,a nd when I got rid of all the junk my calories dropped without me trying. By a lot. The last step was dropping my diet soda habit, and splenda in my coffee. At that point my calories dropped by about 400 a day, without trying. My appetite just diminished. I'm a different person. I was soooo hungry when eating sweets, even when eating tons of protein and fat. So it isn't that the protein fixed things, it was getting rid of sugar, artificial sweeteners, and grains.

    So yeah, the calories have to drop, but the only way for some of us to drop the calories is to drop the carbs. (I stay between 50 and 100 per day...maybe a bit higher once a week when I let myself eat a bit more fruit/etc). I eat lots of veggies, meat, eggs, and one serving of fruit a day. Some high fat dairy (cream in my coffee, and either cream or greek yogurt with berries once a day for dessert). Nuts are very rare..maybe a few times a week a half oz or oz.

    And I'm losing weight, but really I think I'm happier about the decreased appetite than about the weight loss. I'm finally in control of my appetite.

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    yep this is true for me too
    Its the higher fats that keep you satisfied for longer.
    I too am very happy I am finally in control and just eating exactly how much I need, not stuffing myself to the brim.
    sugars make me crave more sugars so no sugar = just eating what I need.

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    • #3
      +1

      You can lose weight eating plenty of carbs, but if cutting them helps you to cut calories through deminished appetite as well, then more power to ya. I'm pretty much th same way myself.
      "The cling and a clang is the metal in my head when I walk. I hear a sort of, this tinging noise - cling clang. The cling clang. So many things happen while walking. The metal in my head clangs and clings as I walk - freaks my balance out. So the natural thought is just clogged up. Totally clogged up. So we need to unplug these dams, and make the the natural flow... It sort of freaks me out. We need to unplug the dams. You cannot stop the natural flow of thought with a cling and a clang..."

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      • #4
        Congratulations. Sounds like you're doing the right things.
        "When the search for truth is confused with political advocacy, the pursuit of knowledge is reduced to the quest for power." - Alston Chase

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        • #5
          right, I COULD lose weight eating lot of carbs I guess, but I'd be miserable. BTDT. This is not hard. This is not a diet. This is just eating. I was vegetarian for a decade, before I had my first kid. So to me, the idea of "I don't eat that" works in my head. This is like being a reverse vegetarian, lol. Trying to eat small amounts of everything never worked..I felt deprived and on a diet. This, this is just eating differently. (and oddly, I eat way more veggies now than when I was a vegetarian. Or even than when I was a vegan. They taste better now.)

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          • #6
            Well said!

            I have lost weight (or at least maintained weightloss) eating a much higher carb diet, but it was horrible. I have a vivid memory from college of being in a Pilates class, a few hours after having had a tropical fruit bagel for breakfast, where I had to suddenly sit down and scoot out on my butt because I felt so light headed I thought I was going to hit the ground faint. This was in year 5 of maintaining weight I'd orginally lost on South Beach.
            Well, 3 years later, I've regained most of the weight and am recovering from an eating disorder. I went low carb Primal to try to lose weight and regain my health, and am finding my urges to binge significantly reduced.

            The whole eat 6 small meals a day never worked for me either. Outside of being a massive pain in the ass, it gets me more into the constant eating mindset which is not good for me.

            So that's why I really don't give a crap about new finding saying the body can store fat without insulin (doesn't surprise me at all, biology is very flexible). What makes all the difference to me is that I don't feel weak and hypoglycemic, and there's even significant portions of the day I don't think about food.
            I don't know where the saying comes from, but remember the one about how the best diet for you is the one you can live with?
            Last edited by s-piper; 03-11-2013, 09:50 PM.

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            • #7
              We don't say it doesn't matter or that low carb can't be useful. We just say the actual carb curve is pseudoscience.

              Imagine if the government released a "Dietary low fat curve" that said

              20g of fat per day- effortless weight loss.
              40g of fat per day - weight maintenance
              60g of fat per day - SLOW INSIDIOUS WEIGHT GAIN

              Would people defend it, or reject it as stupid conventional wisdom?

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              • #8
                I too have found the carbohydrate curve immensely useful, especially in the beginning when weight loss was my goal.
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                • #9
                  The curve is a good jumping off point or guideline. I have a friend who has told me she can't get to ketosis unless she goes below 20 gms of carbs per day. She's a tiny person. As always, n=1.
                  "Right is right, even if no one is doing it; wrong is wrong, even if everyone is doing it." - St. Augustine

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                  • #10
                    The carb curve works for the majority of people perfectly well. On a forum the weirdos and outliers shout the loundest and skew the general perception of the system (that's why I'm here ). For most people un-weighed primal/paleo will help them lose fat, some people need to check carb levels and the carb curve is a good guide for this. If this isn't working then it's time to experiment with yourself; and that's a whole other story
                    You know all those pictures of Adam and Eve where they have belly button? Think about it..................... take as long as you need........................

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                    • #11
                      Hi Tribal Rob


                      I just had to say that I love your avatar - Captain Caveman......classic!!

                      Peace x

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Tribal Rob View Post
                        The carb curve works for the majority of people perfectly well. On a forum the weirdos and outliers shout the loundest and skew the general perception of the system (that's why I'm here ). For most people un-weighed primal/paleo will help them lose fat, some people need to check carb levels and the carb curve is a good guide for this. If this isn't working then it's time to experiment with yourself; and that's a whole other story
                        Agree. It isn't science but doesn't pretend to be. Guidelines are just that
                        Four years Primal with influences from Jaminet & Shanahan and a focus on being anti-inflammatory. Using Primal to treat CVD and prevent stents from blocking free of drugs.

                        Eat creatures nose-to-tail (animal, fowl, fish, crustacea, molluscs), a large variety of vegetables (raw, cooked and fermented, including safe starches), dairy (cheese & yoghurt), occasional fruit, cocoa, turmeric & red wine

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by JoanieL View Post
                          The curve is a good jumping off point or guideline..
                          Yeah, I agree. I guess maybe we give the wrong impression, but I never considered the carb curve science.
                          I don't consider The PB in general science. Science is found in peer reviewed literature. The PB is a self-help book, some of which is based on science that's been distilled into guidelines for lay audiences, and some of which is personal philosophy.
                          Remember another part of The PB is don't to stupid things. That's not science. Some of it is based on science, such as that wearing your seatbelt increases your chances of surviving a car accident, but just saying 'think safety' isn't science.

                          I even rolled my eyes when he said 'effortless' weightloss, because I imagined that was very much from a man's POV.
                          However, lowering carbs by that general guideline has helped. Just because I agree with something doesn't mean I take it at face value. I don't believe that if someone is eating 101 grams of carb a day they won't lose any weight. I don't brush my teeth with butter while thinking that one strawberry will kill me. I'm just trying to get better and low-carb is helping me do so.
                          Last edited by s-piper; 03-12-2013, 08:26 AM.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by ktgrok View Post
                            And I'm losing weight, but really I think I'm happier about the decreased appetite than about the weight loss. I'm finally in control of my appetite.
                            This. I'm happy you found what works for you....it's a wonderful thing.
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                            • #15
                              I think the carb curve is really well designed to fall within the realistic caloric intake when you restrict carbs.

                              If you have a lot to lose, maybe you avoid fruit and starches- pretty damn hard to eat over 50 grams of carbs without fruit, starches, grains, sugars. Pretty hard to overeat calories too unless you have a love of fat without sugar.

                              If you just eat a normal amount of fruit and starches (excluding potatoes and rice) it's really hard to eat over 100 grams of carbs a day.

                              Unless you really LOVE a sweet potato and fruit, it's going to be really hard to eat over 150 grams of carbs while restricting grains and sugars.

                              The carb curve is almost a moot point if you exclude the foods PB excludes because it excludes the higher carb foods that are easy to eat.

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