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  • #16
    Originally posted by AngryKiwi47 View Post
    Legumes give me gas. If I want to add bulk to my nacho chilli-mix, I'll dice some carrots and mushrooms, maybe broccoli, but beans not so much.
    You answered my chili question, thanks!

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    • #17
      Originally posted by derpamix View Post
      i said the same thing about robert lustig, except he's more like 38% bodyfat with 18% of that being in his face.
      Caution! My replies may contain traces of nuts!. My posts are just my opinion based on my experience with the primal way of life, there is no assurance it will work with others in the same way.

      Started Primal 15th October 2012
      Height 5'9"
      Start weight 200lb
      Loss so far 33.8lbs, now 166.2lb
      Goal was 168lb's

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      • #18
        Paleo exclusion of legumes is bullshit, but many people here just follow the crowd. I don't eat legumes though, they give me terrible gas.
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        • #19
          I would agree that the argument against legumes is one of the weaker ones in Paleo.
          Although, you can't argue with the fact that they're gassy.

          I am mostly just following the crowd by not eating them right now. Will I avoid them forever? I don't know. I didn't eat that many to begin with except peanut butter, so it might not matter.

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          • #20
            Itchy, FYI, it takes a while to identify who the semi-trolls on the board are. They pretend to be primal but will post some stealthy anti-primal study, hoping to convince some primals to revert to semi-CW. The original poster is one of these.

            IMO legumes should be in the 20%. I am so accustomed to red kidney beans in chili that it feels weird to leave them out. And I like occasional hummus. I don't feel the need for any other legumes.
            5'0" female, 45 years old. Started Primal October 31, 2011, at a skinny fat 111.5 lbs. Low weight: 99.5 lb on a fast. Gained back to 115(!) on SAD chocolate, potato chips, and stress. Currently 111.

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            • #21
              I agree that nut and legumes are the same thing and it is odd to call one evil while the other - good. I think it depends on how you structure your diet, around fats or carbohydrates, your need for fibre, your satiation mechanism, digestion specifics and the tendency to overeat one or another if you should include or exclude either and how often.
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              • #22
                I can see more arguments for eliminating nuts than including legumes.
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                • #23
                  I sometimes eat petit pois, runner beans, french beans, occasionally broad beans and SWMBO gives me baked beans once a week.

                  I believe our ancestors would have eaten whatever was available in season. Our problem is total year round availability that can cause over indulgences leading to problems.
                  Why use a sledge hammer to crack a nut when a steam roller is even more effective, and, is fun to drive.

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                  • #24
                    I can see more arguments for eliminating nuts than including legumes.
                    I am leaning the other way - too many eliminations with no reason can be harmful, as we simply cannot know what our body manages to take out of each food. Eliminating without cause a staple food could lead to accumulation of a deficiency... In other words, if it ain't harmful, don't drop it. But that's just me.
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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Leida View Post
                      I am leaning the other way - too many eliminations with no reason can be harmful, as we simply cannot know what our body manages to take out of each food. Eliminating without cause a staple food could lead to accumulation of a deficiency... In other words, if it ain't harmful, don't drop it. But that's just me.
                      But it is harmful. The argument is that nuts are as harmful as legumes. That's not an argument to include legumes, it's an argument to limit nuts.
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                      • #26
                        Mayber. Maybe not. Legumes and nuts are all very different in their macro-comp. Nuts have one thing going against them that legumes do not - nuts are very easy to overeat as they are not satiating at all, and most of them are high in PUFA. Legumes are not easy to overeat and they do wonders for satiation in a number of people. Legimes are food, nuts are a treat.
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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Leida View Post
                          Mayber. Maybe not. Legumes and nuts are all very different in their macro-comp. Nuts have one thing going against them that legumes do not - nuts are very easy to overeat as they are not satiating at all, and most of them are high in PUFA. Legumes are not easy to overeat and they do wonders for satiation in a number of people. Legimes are food, nuts are a treat.
                          Peanuts and beans can be pretty easy to overeat, but I get what you're saying. I think it's a minor point honestly. There are certainly valid points to both sides of the argument, and there are certainly worse things you could be eating.

                          I hope you're as happy with your decision to eat legumes as I am with my decision (mostly) not to.
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                          • #28
                            Except for peanuts, legumes are pretty much tasteless to me.

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                            • #29
                              Dear everyone who "misses chilli,"

                              Real chilli does not have beans in it. So you don't have to miss chilli. You might miss the bs you used to call chilli, but ACTUAL chilli is still on the table.

                              Originally posted by lotusberries View Post
                              Same for me, plus they taste terrible and have a really unpleasant texture.
                              I agree, I never cared for the texture of beans. Didn't eat them when I ate SAD, not going to eat them now.
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                              • #30
                                Elizabeth, Texan version of chili does not include legumes, however, there is a wide variety of stews spiced with chili that include legumes, including peanuts. Extending a stew with beans or lentils makes it more economical and more satiating for a lot of peoples. As well, it is tastier for some - personal preference, of course.

                                This argument is rather ike the argument of 'you can't have a potato in your stew, put a turnip instead.'

                                I think initial inclusion of nuts was due to very severe limitations of the inital Paleo diet. Basically back at the inception, it had no satiating substances at all for those who need starch to satiate. There was prohibition on tubers, to the extant of exclusion of carrots and radishes; there was no 'safe starches' at all, there was no sugar in any form, basically it was really about what grows above ground. In addition, initial Paleo also cut fats as well. Because of the chemicals, dry fruit was also out of limits. It was a very hungry diet. So, they had to add something, so they added nuts.

                                Well, that's what I think.

                                Since Corbain, Paleo developped into inclusion territory far more than into exclusion territory. The only notable recent exclusion that I can think of are canola and flax, though DeVinci advocated no seeds at all (somehow they were toxic while nuts weren't).

                                EDIT: What i am trying to say is that personal experience is the key for me.
                                Richard, I remember how I first ate beans after reading 4-Hour body, with shaking hands, thinking I have committed a Primal Sin. The universe did not implode. I eat beans once in a while since then and not as a main dish... I do like pea soup once in a winter, and stews with lentils and kale. I like eggplant caviar better than hummus, but whatever.
                                Last edited by Leida; 03-08-2013, 09:21 AM.
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