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  • Bad news, guys.

    There is a new law, EG 1924/2006:

    EG 1924/2006 (english version)

    The Netherlands is the first country to have this law as a test. The idea is that this law will be introduced in the entire EU and then worldwide.

    Basically, this law prevents the public to know about the healthfulness of foods, unless it "scientifically proven" that the food is healthy. Companies are not allowed to make claims about the beneficial factors of their product(s).

    So let's say there's a shampoo which is anti-scurf, this product may not promote itself as antiscurf unless the government has "proven" this is true.

    Well, whatever, you might say, who here uses shampoo anyway?
    But it's not just companies who sell products, it's also the internet. This means that this website would not be able to exist anymore, because Mark promotes meat as healthy, but the govenment says it's not. Mark has to take the site down or he could face a €30,000 fine.

    I have already seen websites go blank here.

    This is major cencorship, and it's going worldwide.

    This information is partly based on facts I have read from actual public government files and partly from (trustworthy) thirds.
    well then

  • #2
    Hmmm I really don't see this ever happening, not at a web site level anyway and the law is 7 years old??
    Last edited by Richard Seekins; 03-05-2013, 07:35 AM.
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    • #3
      Basically, this law prevents the public to know about the healthfulness of foods, unless it "scientifically proven" that the food is healthy. Companies are not allowed to make claims about the beneficial factors of their product(s).
      Hmmm.... If I was Mark's lawyer in the US, he is not making a claim about the healthfulness of any of his products with the exception of the supplements. Like in the US, someone sued Nutella for advertising as a healthy product and the suer lost. It also violates the ohsobeloved tenet of free speech in the US.

      That said, no idea how this might impact Europe.

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      • #4
        Unless Mark's server is based in the Netherlands how would they even enforce this idiotic law? "Hey, dude in America, uh, take down that website based in a foreign country or we will fine you money because uh...f*ck"

        Also, going worldwide how? Which body will enforce it? The UN? Yes, because we take them oh so seriously here in the US.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Gadsie View Post
          This is major cencorship, and it's going worldwide.

          This information is partly based on facts I have read from actual public government files and partly from (trustworthy) thirds.
          The FDA in the US has been doing this for awhile, way to catch up with us!
          FDA to Diamond Foods: "Your Walnuts Are Drugs" LewRockwell.com Blog
          Based on claims made on your firm's website, we have determined that your walnut products are promoted for conditions that cause them to be drugs because these products are intended for use in the prevention, mitigation, and treatment of disease.

          The back of your product label also bears the following statement: "The omega-3 in walnuts can help you get the proper balance of fatty acids your body needs for promoting and maintaining heart health. In fact, according to the Food and Drug Administration, supportive but not conclusive research shows that eating 1.5 oz of walnuts per day, as part of a low saturated fat and low cholesterol diet, and not resulting in increased caloric intake, may reduce the risk of coronary heart disease. Please refer to nutrition information for fat content and other details about the nutritional profile of walnuts." Although FDA exercises enforcement discretion over the last two sentences of this statement, which meet the criteria for a qualified health claim for walnuts and coronary heart disease, the last two sentences read in conjunction with the first sentence makes the entire statement an unauthorized health claim.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Gadsie View Post
            Companies are not allowed to make claims about the beneficial factors of their product(s).
            Concerning food, I don't buy products based on what companies/Government/packages say; I eat what I think is best for me through learning about nutrition and its sub fields and reading studies on the matter. As long as I know what I'm ingesting (whole foods basically) then that's enough.
            Last edited by Darz; 03-05-2013, 07:54 AM.

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            • #7
              The FDA has a certain class of claims that it requires evidence to support, and occasionally comes down on some food processor that makes outrageous unsubstantiated claims about the healthfulness of their junk food. So the health claims you see on labels on products in the US are usually pretty vague. This is a labeling thing. The internet? They can't control what nobodies say about food on the internet.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Darz View Post
                Concerning food, I don't buy products based on what companies/Government/packages say; I eat what I think is best for me through learning about nutrition and its sub fields and reading studies on the matter. As long as I know what I'm ingesting then that's enough.
                Well, maybe some people like us are already educated on what's good and what not. But somewhere you've heard what's good for you. They're trying to stop that
                well then

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Gadsie View Post
                  Well, maybe some people like us are already educated on what's good and what not. But somewhere you've heard what's good for you. They're trying to stop that
                  Maybe, but government and most companies aren't really that reliable, profit is what they care for, not health.

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                  • #10
                    I would think that this law in the Netherlands is referring more to packaged "foods" or supplements that have something to claim. But how can this apply to a fruit or vegetable? I don't see this happening in the US as we already have the FDA essentially doing this already. And the FDA doesn't typically report on whole foods.
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                    People say I am on a "crazy" diet. What is so crazy about eating veggies, fruits, seafood and organ meats? Just because I don't eat whole wheat and processed food doesn't make my diet "crazy". Maybe everyone else with a SAD are the "crazy" ones for putting that junk in their system.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Balance View Post
                      I would think that this law in the Netherlands is referring more to packaged "foods" or supplements that have something to claim. But how can this apply to a fruit or vegetable? I don't see this happening in the US as we already have the FDA essentially doing this already. And the FDA doesn't typically report on whole foods.
                      This will never happen in the US! Businesses are still, fairly successfuly, arguing that they have an absolute right to advertise to children.

                      As for Mark taking down this site, unless the server is in their jurisdiction, he can tell them to eff off. As for whether the Dutch government will censor the site so that people in the Neatherlands can't see it...well, Gadsie, you'd probably know more about wether that would happen than I do.
                      I can see why you're upset about this, though, if they're going to use it for censorship. I mean are they going to go into libraries and burn books that have claims that aren't scientifically proven too?
                      If it's just about packaged foods though, then I don't think it'll do a lot of harm.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by s-piper View Post
                        This will never happen in the US! Businesses are still, fairly successfuly, arguing that they have an absolute right to advertise to children.
                        I guess you missed my link above where the FDA went after a Diamond nuts for claiming their walnuts were healthy?

                        Here you go, right from the FDA website.
                        Diamond Food Inc. 2/22/10

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                        • #13
                          Maybe Diamond should start selling its nuts as a supplement. Apparently that's pretty wide open as long as this disclaimer appears on the label or description:

                          These statements have not been evaluated by the FDA. These products are not intended to diagnose, treat, cure, or prevent any disease.
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                          • #14
                            Isn't that law kind of like the people who tried to sue oreo and Mcdonalds for making them fat? It won't fly.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Gadsie View Post
                              Well, maybe some people like us are already educated on what's good and what not. But somewhere you've heard what's good for you. They're trying to stop that
                              I am in the UK and have written to my MP to ask him to vote against an EU plan to outlaw sales of various vitamin and health supplements. Personally, I'd feel happier being able to choose to buy and take vitamin D, K2 mk4, etc than rely on EU approved medications.

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