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    Not that I care or not if he does it but hes the aggressor on this one. He's argued that Red Meat is acidic and bad for you. I argued that grass fed vs grain fed full of hormoes and antiabotics is night and day. My question is is grass fed beef less acidic then grain fed beef?

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    Your question should be whether it matters. It doesn't.
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    • #3
      My stomach's more acidic :P

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      • #4
        on a more serious note:
        http://www.naturalpathhealthcenter.c...t-bad-for-you/

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Allenete View Post
          My stomach's more acidic :P
          If your stomach isn't far more acidic than the steak you shovel into it, you have hypochlorydria and should see a healthcare provider. Your bloodstream (which isn't your stomach) needs to maintain acidity within a very narrow range. Fortunately, you have a sophisticated buffering system that can do this for you, and you don't need to adjust the pH of your diet.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by Allenete View Post
            I see your link and I call:

            Red Meat: It Does a Body Good!
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            • #7
              Did you actually read my link? It's in support of meat - grass fed organic meat, that is :P

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              • #8
                Originally posted by garod82 View Post
                Not that I care or not if he does it but hes the aggressor on this one. He's argued that Red Meat is acidic and bad for you.
                Your co-worker is wrong. The acidity of the meat matters not at all, because your body isn't one single PH. Your stomach is much more acidic (PH1) than the meat you're consuming. Then your actual digestion takes place in the small intestine, which is slightly alkaline (PH8).

                He's repeating a vegan myth about meat. Ask him if he thinks that meat putrefies in the colon.

                Your counter-arguement is irrelevant to his original point about acidity.
                Last edited by magicmerl; 03-04-2013, 02:36 PM.
                Disclaimer: I eat 'meat and vegetables' ala Primal, although I don't agree with the carb curve. I like Perfect Health Diet and WAPF Lactofermentation a lot.

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                5,000 Cal Fat <> 5,000 Cal Carbs
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Allenete View Post
                  Did you actually read my link? It's in support of meat - grass fed organic meat, that is :P
                  You can't even use that study to claim CAFCO meat is bad for you. Questionnaire based epidemiological studies chock full of confounding variables and correlations without demonstrating causation are worthless no matter which side of the red meat argument you're on. There is plenty of other evidence showing the nutritional superiority of meat from animals raised on their natural diets vs those that aren't. Don't base a sound argument on a bad study!

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Allenete View Post
                    Did you actually read my link? It's in support of meat - grass fed organic meat, that is :P
                    Yeah. So was mine. I thought we were dueling, but with pro-meat articles instead of sabres or cutlasses or whatever.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by 0Angel0 View Post
                      There is plenty of other evidence showing the nutritional superiority of meat from animals raised on their natural diets vs those that aren't. You don't need to base a sound argument on a bad study to effectively argue that.
                      Yeah, but nobody's arguing anything. Except the OP's dumb co-worker/vegan propagandist.
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                      • #12
                        Is Red Meat Really That Bad For You? | Natural Path Health Center This article that was linked claims that the JAMA red meat study only shows CAFCO meat is bad for you not grassfed. I'm simply saying that you can't even use that worthless study to claim that.

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                        • #13
                          I'm sorry, i don't have the time to critically evaluate studies I use for an online forum... I save that time for my actual postgrad work.

                          So let's not start arguments where there are none.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Allenete View Post
                            I'm sorry, i don't have the time to critically evaluate studies I use for an online forum... I save that time for my actual postgrad work.

                            So let's not start arguments where there are none.
                            Sheesh! I wasn't trying to start an argument. I just think it's silly to use a study that has been so thoroughly debunked in Primal/Paleo land when it supports an argument you're trying to make so was surprised by the choice of articles you chose to link that's all.

                            And grad school..been there done that a while ago. It's irrelevant to this discussion other than to try to proclaim your own intelligence.

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                            • #15
                              OK, I used a poor study as an example.

                              As for the postgrad comment, it's no more relevant than your nit-picking. You wanted to bring up the quality of studies, I used it to say that I don't put the same effort into evaluating studies for a forum as I do for my postgrad degree.

                              If I know, and can tell, it's a bad study/article, I won't use it. If I make the mistake of using a poor article, I'd appreciate for people to point that out a little less self-righteously.

                              Now I'm moving on because this is Off Topic.

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