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  • What is worse, dairy or grains? (for a vegetarian)

    Hi there,

    I've been a vegetarian my whole life (I never have and never will eat meat so don't even go there! ), and in the last year or so I'm giving up milk because it makes me feel a bit queasy/tired, and after drinking it the roof of my mouth will be a bit tender, so I'm guessing I have some intolerance to milk, but cheese doesn't seem to bother me.

    I never really eat cheddar or other hard cheeses. The only dairy I consume on any kind of regular basis apart from the occasional cheat is Paneer and Ghee, both of which seem to agree with me no problem. I take regular whey protein shakes which help me recover after exercise, when I don't have them muscle soreness lasts much longer and it can take me a day or two to recover having one or two a day.

    In regards to grains I think I have a gluten intolerance. I don't eat grains all that often, mostly it's wholegrain rice with chickpeas or lentils, ghee, spices and paneer, very occasional pasta and yeast-free flatbread type breads.

    I'm trying to become a bit more lean (I worked out my body-fat around 8-9%), I swim around 4-5 hours a week, usually 400-600 lengths depending, as well as indoor rock climbing 3-6 hours a week, and gymnastics/crossfit workouts

    I was wondering which would be the better option; try and reduce/eliminate grains from my diet, or target the dairy? From what I have read and my current understanding of health it's probably best to try and reduce the grain intake.

    Hope somebody can give me some good advice, or point me to some resources that can help

    Cheers

  • #2
    Originally posted by FromEnglandWithLove View Post
    What is worse, dairy or grains? (for a vegetarian)
    Being a vegetarian.

    Joking aside, whatever gives you any real symptoms.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by FromEnglandWithLove View Post
      Hi there,

      I'm guessing I have some intolerance to milk, but cheese doesn't seem to bother me....

      ...Paneer and Ghee, both of which seem to agree with me no problem....

      ...I think I have a gluten intolerance.
      Sounds like an easy choice. Enjoy the paneer and ghee. Don't drink the milk or other dairy that disagrees with you. Skip the grains.

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      • #4
        You have no choice but to give up gluten grains if you are intolerant. There is no other option.

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        • #5
          Definitely pass on the grains. If you really miss them, buy some sprouted corn tortillas and sprouted brown rice. White rice is also a good choice -- eat it with lots of vegetables and spices to compensate for the lack of nutrients.

          If cheese doesn't cause problems for you, have at it.

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          • #6
            Agreed with above. Exclude the foods that disagree with you, not entire food groups.

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            • #7
              Best option would be to just live with an 8-9% body fat rather than trying to get down to essential fat only (totally unhealthy).

              Beyond that grains are useless and most cause ill health. If you are gluten intolerant you need to ditch them completely. Dairy is not necessary for health, but may not be inherently bad for you. Test yourself with full fat fermented first and work your way from there.
              Last edited by Neckhammer; 03-03-2013, 02:56 PM.

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              • #8
                There are people who are less intolerant to grains than others, but I've never met anybody who said they need grains for any other reason than "They taste good". Many people agree it makes them bloat etc.

                You don't need them ever - and certainly not if you're gluten intolerant.

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                • #9
                  Have you tried raw or at least grass-fed dairy? It seems that those who have an intolerance to pasteurized products do well with whole and fresh.
                  If you still want grains to be in your diet, many people do better by soaking and sprouting before cooking (and then eating) them.
                  Also, since you're trying lean out, it might be helpful if you tell us what you do eat. Mostly vegetables and eggs?
                  Making adventure out of this thing called life

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                  • #10
                    If you still want grains to be part of your diet although you are apparently intolerant to gluten grains, and you eat gluten grains anyway, you are risking any number of long-term irreversible health problems.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by FromEnglandWithLove View Post
                      Hi there,

                      I'm giving up milk because it makes me feel a bit queasy/tired, and after drinking it the roof of my mouth will be a bit tender, so I'm guessing I have some intolerance to milk, but cheese doesn't seem to bother me.

                      In regards to grains I think I have a gluten intolerance. I don't eat grains all that often, mostly it's wholegrain rice with chickpeas or lentils, ghee, spices and paneer, very occasional pasta and yeast-free flatbread type breads.
                      What 'worse' is irrelevant because it appears you are allergic to both, so...why are you eating either?

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                      • #12
                        Well my first instinct would be to say grain, hands down.
                        Some people, myself included, don't give up dairy when going Primal. I don't have any problems with it though.

                        Since you do, I'd say aviod any dairy that bothers you. So if you can do paneer and ghee without problems, don't worry about it. If all dairy bothers you then ditch it all.

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                        • #13
                          I like dairy. My people like dairy, and aged cheeses (actually even fresh cheeses) give me no problems. So I pick dairy as the one to include for a vegetarian. But if cheese (and yogurt) give you problems, you should stay away from them. If I understand ghee correctly, the milk solids are cooked out or separated from the final product.

                          I know in my brain that grain is stupid for me to eat, but it has never given me any major problems (I don't consider a little bit of flatulence to be a major problem). I allow myself a serving of wheat per week. I don't always eat it, but I allow it. But if tomorrow, my doctor said, "Girl, you have to stop eating wheat or die," I'd toss it like yesterday's garbage. I also don't think most grains have much nutritive value, where some dairy products really do.
                          "Right is right, even if no one is doing it; wrong is wrong, even if everyone is doing it." - St. Augustine

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                          • #14
                            Thanks all for your quick and friendly replies (Must admit, I was expecting some 'just eat meat' jibes :P)

                            Did lots of reading up on Mark's blog posts.

                            - Going to dump the grains
                            - will keep up with whey protein shakes (think crossfit would be impossible for me without them :P )
                            - going to try tempeh, miso
                            - get back into eating Quinoa (its yummmm) and greek-style yogurt

                            thanks all!

                            (for anyone wondering why I want to loose weight on 8% bodyfat, rock climbing is a cruel mistress!)

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                            • #15
                              They're kind of in the same category. Though "grains" are such a broad category it's stupid lumping them all together, it's almost as broad as saying "carbs" with no further info. People have a bias to dairy because it's high in fat and tastes delicious. Although dairy is much closer linked to health problems compared to most other foods but if you tolerate both fine I personally wouldn't worry about it.

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