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  • #16
    Hi Walrus--
    I have a world-class sweet tooth, but sugar (in any form) is a binge trigger for me, so I abstain totally. I find that even any artificial sweeteners are the same--anything with a sweet taste will lead to a binge.

    However, by being 100% abstinent, I really don't have any desire for the sweet taste.

    I've learned to love unsweetened chocolate, and I use nut butters as a 'treat.' One example, I make a 'brownie' in a soup mug (dash of hot coffee, cinnamon, 2T unsweetened cocao, and 1/4 cup egg whites. Microwave for 1 min (or more, depending on the machine). Sometimes I top it with 1tsp natural peanut or almond butter. Without any sweetness, no binge follows.

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    • #17
      It's not entirely fair of me to do this since you've just started and you're really excited, but
      Timthetaco I don't think you understand sugar addiction. At all.
      Sugar addiction is not enjoying some fruits and carbs in addition to your meats and veggies. Sugar addiction is eating a big meal, then a brownie with ice cream, then more ice cream, then more brownie. It's mindlessly eating a 1lb bag of snickers bars and not being able to stop.

      I actually agree that carbs don't make us extra fat. But when some carbs have such a hold on you that you will go overeat thousands of calories they sure do.

      And lest you chime in with "willpower", I have willpower. I ground out a marathon. I was a vegan for years while wanting meat daily. I can power through just about anything. But literally sugar had a hold on me like nothing. Giving it up for a month on Whole 30.... if I wasn't going through withdrawal, I don't know what was going on.

      To the OP, awesome. Do what you need to do to get the sugar monkey off your back. Keep in mind that you may be able to enjoy fruit and starches without binging. You may even begin to have sweets without triggering a binge.

      My other advice, learn why you reach for sweets. Mine was a combo of habit/stress/boredom. Come up with new non-food solutions to those triggers. I broke the habit with fruit as a dessert (now I just skip it), for stress at work, I take a walk and for boredom...well... lol, I shop. And if you mess up, get right back to it. You will eat a cupcake or ice cream again. It's how you handle it afterwards that determines your success. Take it as a blip, eat your next meals fully primal and move right along and you are golden.
      Last edited by magnolia1973; 03-03-2013, 06:19 AM.

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      • #18
        Thanks for sharing your story!

        I know for a fact that I need to stay away from sugar as well. It does produce cravings for me and they can feel unbearable.

        I am a tad bit over 1 month on the PB and I have even found on the days that I incorporate 1 piece of fruit I have cravings and am hungry all day.

        Stay in tune with your body, it will let you know what it needs and what it's triggers are.

        Best of luck to you on your Primal journey!

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        • #19
          Originally posted by magnolia1973 View Post
          Timthetaco I don't think you understand sugar addiction. At all.
          I don't understand it, personally. My post was a reply specifically to the line where she blamed her weight gain entirely on sugar. Maybe I misunderstood that sugar causes her to binge, and that was responsible for the weight gain. I just want people in general, not just the OP, to understand low carb and paleo don't work the way they think they do. If that makes me a douche, troll or a naysayer in the eyes of others, I can't help that.

          I disparage a theory a journalist made up, not the paleo diet. The two are not (or don't have to be) one in the same. So Walrus, I apologize if you felt like I was trying to dissuade you from trying this. I think you'll have great success, actually, as low carb is a great way to reduce fat efficiently, especially in the obese.

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          • #20
            I always thought sugar was a binge trigger for me. But lately, you know what I've been having when I crave sugar? A cup of tea... with sugar! And I havent been binging.

            Ever tried to binge on a bag of pure sugar? Eat it with a spoon? Even if I tried to drink the whole thing in tea I wouldn't be able to. However: a pint of ice cream, a jar of Nutella: gone before I finish typing this sentence...

            Many junk foods have a host of other chemicals added, not to mention soy and wheat.

            Dairy, wheat and nuts are known to have opiate effects for some people (junkies in rehab are often given "snack packs" of Brazil nuts!) but once I separated sugar from the other substances I realised it doesn't do that for me. Some people find fruit is a binge trigger, so maybe fructose is a culprit sometimes, but in my experience pure sugar is not.

            Anyway, it's not the foods themselves that are at fault. There's an underlying reason we get addicted to any substance, and until you deal with that it will just emerge in another area of your life.
            "I think the basic anti-aging diet is also the best diet for prevention and treatment of diabetes, scleroderma, and the various "connective tissue diseases." This would emphasize high protein, low unsaturated fats, low iron, and high antioxidant consumption, with a moderate or low starch consumption.

            In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements."

            - Ray Peat

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            • #21
              Yes I also have a sugar addiction. As I just wrote on a other thread some people can eat a single serving of something sugary and good for them. That isn't "willpower" it's the way their bodies work.

              I had two kids without any meds after using relaxation and self-hypnosis exercises. These really worked for me in that setting so I tried them for eating as well. I've had success and if you are interested David Illig is my favorite.

              An interesting book that looks at the biochemistry of sugar addiction is "Potatoes not Prozac." Silly name, great book. Also, rats fed a lot of sugar who are taken off sugar go into something that looks like opiate withdrawal, not surprising since sugar does indeed act like an opiate on the brain.

              Some people can have "a beer" or do coke once or smoke a single cigarette every three years at a wedding and other people can't. It's not about "willpower."

              Good for you, OP, and I wish you the best. I quit sugar almost a month ago. It was brutal at first but stopping all sugar (no honey or agave or anything else sweet) has worked much better than any other time I've tried to stop.

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              • #22
                Also I've never tried to eat a bag of sugar. It sounds awfully dry. But mix it into water with a squeeze of lemon and I bet I could drink a whole bunch of it.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by JoanieL View Post
                  Personally I'll never understand anyone who tries to put down a way of eating that is healthy and logical in addition to the other parts of Primal which are just common sense. And anyone who tries to set a relative newby who is having success down a different path is being an asswipe.
                  Me either. Especially since, in general, they are theorists with no real world experience in beating this kind of addiction or in losing significant pounds/improving health.

                  To the OP: Congratulations on finding a path that works for you! I found that sugar and grain products were my downfall as well and by eliminating them from my diet, I was able to lose the weight I'd struggled to lose for years and years. I've been at a normal weight for several years now and only recently have found that I can very occasionally indulge in my nemesis foods without inducing cravings. This change in my body's reactions was slow in developing and something I won't tempt fate over in the future. Good wishes to you!!
                  Last edited by janie; 03-03-2013, 08:13 AM.
                  Starting Weight: 197.5
                  Current Weight: 123
                  Far healthier!

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by the_walrus0 View Post
                    Why would I spend my life trying to prove to myself or others otherwise when I could just give it up and be happier and healthier?
                    There is tremendous life power in being able to say "no".

                    Whatever the real benefit/harm of sugar, your ability to put it aside is already a bigger victory than you may know, yet.

                    Thumbs-up!

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by janie View Post
                      Me either. Especially since, in general, they are theorists with no real world experience in beating this kind of addiction or in losing significant pounds/improving health.

                      To the OP: Congratulations on finding a path that works for you! I found that sugar and grain products were my downfall as well and by eliminating them from my diet, I was able to lose the weight I'd struggled to lose for years and years. I've been at a normal weight for several years now and only recently have found that I can very occasionally indulge in my nemesis foods without inducing cravings. This change in my body's reactions was slow in developing and something I won't tempt fate over in the future. Good wishes to you!!
                      There's nothing like being told you're wrong about your own body, your own self, by a person who has no idea of what you're experiencing. Timthetaco, you are a man telling a woman to sit down and shut up because she's not capable of recognising what's going on in her own body.

                      Here's an idea. Why don't you STFU?

                      OP, huge congrats on facing your demons and taking steps towards living your best life. Be guided by what you feel. If you're feeling happier and healthier and more in control of your life, you know you're on the right track. Best of luck in your journey. Never stop seeking, never lose faith.

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                      • #26
                        There's something more to this argument than food.

                        Most people are emotionally invested in their WOE, be it the SAD that they got at home from the example of their family, or something they discovered on the internet, tried, and they perceive works for them. The same volleys go back and forth between meat-eaters and vegetarians, between low fat "CW experts" and Atkins dieters, between people who eat nothing but fast food and junk food and those who prepare and eat a variety of different foods that may have been common only a couple of generations ago but now seem unfamiliar, between those who eat mostly wheat products and those who do not, even if they have no choice due to medical issues.

                        It's a young, healthy, athletic person who would have thrived following almost any lifestyle imagining that the one they settled on is not only perfect for everyone but the only one that could ever work for anyone.

                        It's about the feeling that merely by eating something different, even considering eating in a different way, someone is threatening your way of life. For some that means that people who don't eat pizza and burgers all the time are un-American. For others it means that if someone tries a diet and finds it works for them, even though what you do failed for them in the past, they need to be stopped. Their health is not really an issue. They are wrong, and they need to keep trying it until it works for them.

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                        • #27
                          OP: that's awesome, great to hear you're making progress! Maybe one day you can incorporate whole food carbs (fruit, honey, potatoes, sprouted grains, etc.) back into your diet without any ill-effects. But in the meantime, do what works for you and don't worry about conflicting points of view. Low-carb can be a GREAT way to lose weight and get your metabolism back in check. Good luck!
                          Last edited by tarek; 03-03-2013, 01:27 PM.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by OzK View Post
                            There's nothing like being told you're wrong about your own body, your own self, by a person who has no idea of what you're experiencing. Timthetaco, you are a man telling a woman to sit down and shut up because she's not capable of recognising what's going on in her own body.

                            Here's an idea. Why don't you STFU?
                            I didn't tell her to sit down and shut up, and I didn't imply she doesn't understand her own body. I said simply that the insulin hypothesis isn't true. It was late at night, I was bored, and I posted something I feel people ought to know. But it was irrelevant to the greater point of the thread, which Magnolia pointed out, and I apologized. This has nothing to do with gender. I don't know why you brought it up. It would probably do you good to block me to spare yourself future stress.
                            Last edited by Timthetaco; 03-03-2013, 01:45 PM.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Timthetaco View Post
                              My post was a reply specifically to the line where she blamed her weight gain entirely on sugar. Maybe I misunderstood that sugar causes her to binge, and that was responsible for the weight gain. I just want people in general, not just the OP, to understand low carb and paleo don't work the way they think they do.

                              So Walrus, I apologize if you felt like I was trying to dissuade you from trying this. I think you'll have great success, actually, as low carb is a great way to reduce fat efficiently, especially in the obese.
                              I think it was just a misunderstanding. Like I said I know little about science really. I know an eensy bit about nutrition but when it comes down to it I'm a babe in the woods. I should've made it more clear that I believe sugar has been the cause of my binges which have been the cause of my weight gain.

                              But I do think you were making a big assumption by thinking you knew how I thought paleo and primal worked.

                              I said sugar was bad. Primal works for me because I eat tasty food that is satisfying. Avoiding sugar is working because sugar, for whatever reason, makes me want to binge. I didn't really elaborate too much on why I think primal is working.

                              I think if I were younger or more confused on the subject then your response might've deterred me from even pressing onward, and I think that's the kind of thing that's keeping people from trying new things to find the right way of eating for themselves. Just when you think you're on to something someone tells you you're dead wrong.

                              It's not a fault to believe in something and to want to tell people about it but maybe the way you deliver it could be handled better? Especially if your experiences with weight and health differ greatly from the other person.

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                              • #30
                                I apologize again, and I don't want to discourage you. I lost a lot of weight eating no sugar and low carb, so I have no doubts you can do it as well, and I hope it helps with the binging.

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