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  • #31
    Originally posted by Gorbag View Post
    I bet that your kids haven't even tried aspartame in their milk yet! Kids loves everything sweet, so I calculate that if some added Splenda makes them drink more milk and less sugary soft drinks and other sweets, then it gives total health benefits! My kids are in perfect health I can assure...
    "Kids love everything sweet" because parents have trained them to by providing them with unlimited sugar and other empty calories as junk food and fast food, thinking that to be the appropriate "kid's diet" in this country, brainwashed by corporate advertising and fearful of damaging their kids' fragile psyches by feeding them the same foods the adults in the household eat.

    An alternate strategy that worked for me was to not give my kid unlimited sugary soft drinks and other sweets in the first place. There was then no need to find strategies to trick her into replacing them with more nutritious foods.

    Neither of us ever drank fresh milk. There was no need of it.

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    • #32
      Many kids may like the taste of sweet because it's been shoved down their throats. Like girls like pink and boys like blue...

      That's all they know, that's what they're expected to like.

      Sugar is a habit though, and even adults find things bland if sugar is taken away and that's what they are used to. You are getting your kids desensitized to the taste of natural flavours and making them reliant on sugar. I can't even verbalise my thoughts on giving a kid aspartame in their milk because "kids like sugar"...

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      • #33
        Originally posted by Allenete View Post
        Many kids may like the taste of sweet because it's been shoved down their throats. Like girls like pink and boys like blue...

        That's all they know, that's what they're expected to like.

        Sugar is a habit though, and even adults find things bland if sugar is taken away and that's what they are used to. You are getting your kids desensitized to the taste of natural flavours and making them reliant on sugar. I can't even verbalise my thoughts on giving a kid aspartame in their milk because "kids like sugar"...
        Yes this.

        People can drink milk all they want, its their choice, but I don't think its needed.

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        • #34
          Nah, not needed. We did at least a year without it. Then I ran into a good farm and started buying it again. My son doesn't even like chocolate milk now when we go out since he is so conditioned to eat foods without added sugars.

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          • #35
            I am pretty sure that kids love for sweet tasting foods is not a learned habit, it is not something that the parents or society have trained them to, so you are all unfortunately wrong about that...
            "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident."

            - Schopenhauer

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            • #36
              If raw milk was easier to get for us, I might buy it more often, but I just don't see the point really.
              I guess my boys liked the odd smoothie, but since we stopped buying milk (we had it for cereal and hot drinks), they didn't ask for it. It was never a daily drink for them. Neither tasted it at all until after 2 anyway.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by Gorbag View Post
                I am pretty sure that kids love for sweet tasting foods is not a learned habit, it is not something that the parents or society have trained them to, so you are all unfortunately wrong about that...
                so what is it?
                we all just want sweet things from babyhood? Toddlerhood? When exactly?

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                • #38
                  What I am noticing though with school, and my 5 year old, is that a lot of his friends have money everyday, yes crazy, but everyday, he sees them buying things, and last week he did ask them to buy him an ice cream which they did. He didn't finish it as he said he didn't like it. But it is temptation, but he has had this stuff before, although we haven't bought for a long time. So is it the temptation, or the fact he remembers the taste, because we did used to get a fair amount of crap like that. I do think its both, but mostly because of me buying that stuff. But if he had never had it, maybe he would have been tempted anyway, but really I don't know. But I don't think its one specific thing.

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                  • #39
                    Sweet food is so appealing to kids probably because it makes them grow and survive better - or something along that train of evolutionary thoughts...
                    "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident."

                    - Schopenhauer

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by Gorbag View Post
                      I am pretty sure that kids love for sweet tasting foods is not a learned habit, it is not something that the parents or society have trained them to, so you are all unfortunately wrong about that...
                      I mean you start this sentence with "I am pretty sure" and then go on to give your opinion... up to there that is fine... ending it with "so you are all unfortunately wrong about that..." is kinda silly though. What gives your opinion more credence than anyone else? There actually has been some whole food self selection studies for kids. There is data out there on this if you wanna look into it.

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by Gorbag View Post
                        Sweet food is so appealing to kids probably because it makes them grow and survive better - or something along that train of evolutionary thoughts...
                        I don't think so.
                        We need fats more than we need sugar.
                        But you know, this old conversation will just go round in circles and never get any where, so I am leaving it at that.

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by Neckhammer View Post
                          I mean you start this sentence with "I am pretty sure" and then go on to give your opinion... up to there that is fine... ending it with "so you are all unfortunately wrong about that..." is kinda silly though. What gives your opinion more credence than anyone else? There actually has been some whole food self selection studies for kids. There is data out there on this if you wanna look into it.
                          Well, there must be some reason why the taste of sweet foods are so appealing to kids and this is not a learned habit, but maybe you know something else?
                          "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident."

                          - Schopenhauer

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                          • #43
                            So Gorbag, do you know children who have never ever had it or saw their parents eat it, just suddenly start asking for sweet things?

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                            • #44
                              Food Preferences: Predispositions to Prefer Energy-dense Foods

                              Just one part, but here is one study on the subject:

                              Although repeated exposure can enhance liking for a wide variety of new foods, other learning mechanisms favor development of preferences for energy-dense foods. There is no evidence that children have an innate, unlearned preference for high-fat or high-energy foods (see Birch30 for a discussion of this point). Children are predisposed to learn to prefer energy-dense foods over energy-dilute foods by learning to associate the flavors of these foods with the positive physiologic consequences that result from eating energy-dense foods, especially when they are hungry. Although limited, the findings from research with young children50-53 are consistent with extensive data in the literature on conditioned preferences for energy-dense foods in animals.54

                              Development of Eating Behaviors Among Children and Adolescents

                              Based on this seems to me the "sugar high" could very well create a learned response due to physiological change and the childs perception of that change. If never introduced to that response at a young age it is reasonable to assume they would not make that link.

                              We are hard wired to find energy. Oversweetening your foods is likely to trick your mind in several ways with long term repercussions. Sugar or aspartame both stimulate that sweet center, but without the assumed nutrition that it should be associated with. I would hazard a hypothesis that this does not bode well for neurological homeostatic mechanisms in terms of physiology or energy partitioning.

                              And I'm not hating on a bit here or there in the context of someones 20% cheats. We're just talking general health here.
                              Last edited by Neckhammer; 02-28-2013, 06:07 PM.

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by Ayla2010 View Post
                                I don't think so.
                                We need fats more than we need sugar.
                                But you know, this old conversation will just go round in circles and never get any where, so I am leaving it at that.
                                Sure, you better leave it like that, because you are wrong! Try to make the kids change their inborn love for sweet tasting stuff for fatty foods and you have a great task to accomplish, - good luck by that LOL...
                                "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident."

                                - Schopenhauer

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