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    One of the sacrifices in my Paleo experience (I'm very new) is sure to be a nice plate of beans.

    I've seen tid-bits of information that indicates pressure cooking beans gets denatures the lecithins (?) rendering them 'Paleo-friendly.'

    This sounds too good to be true, otherwise it would be highlighted more.

    Can anyone help shed light on this issue for me??

    Thanks so much!!!

    Matt

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    I think you mean lectins (and phytates, saponin, etc.) Yes, it seems to be true.

    Pressure Cooker to Deactivate Lectins in Root Vegetables, Beans - PaleoHacks.com
    Evolutionary Psychiatry: Beans and Grains: A Brief Introduction
    The Lowdown On Lectins | Mark's Daily Apple
    Less Bad but Not Good: Pseudograins and Non-Gluten Grains | Paleo Diet Lifestyle
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    • #3
      If you soak them for a LONG TIMER in the whey from home made kefir, that is supposed to help too. Then pressure cook. I do this and have no apparent side effects....

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      • #4
        Originally posted by mgrollins View Post
        One of the sacrifices in my Paleo experience (I'm very new) is sure to be a nice plate of beans.
        I don't do sacrifices and will eat some legumes when I fancy them. I'd rather just accept there may be a tiny risk to my health, but, as I have had no traumas I am sure it is negligible. I LIKE broad beans, peas, baked beans and I will eat them if I don't suffer any ill effects. I also eat potatoes and tomatoes in reasonable portions as well. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised to find I have a cold lager or a nice pint of bitter if we get a summer here in England this year!
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        • #5
          Originally posted by mgrollins View Post
          One of the sacrifices in my Paleo experience (I'm very new) is sure to be a nice plate of beans.

          I've seen tid-bits of information that indicates pressure cooking beans gets denatures the lecithins (?) rendering them 'Paleo-friendly.'

          This sounds too good to be true, otherwise it would be highlighted more.

          Can anyone help shed light on this issue for me??

          Thanks so much!!!

          Matt
          You can boil beans under pressure to deactivate the lectins, sure. They're still a source of poor quality protein and difficult to digest no matter what you do, though. Poverty food. Properly prepared beans may not be necessarily harmful, but you're still displacing more nutritious food with them. Compare 200 calories of beans to 200 calories of eggs, salmon, potatoes or broccoli.

          Canned beans are pressure cooked. Soak and rinse them really well to get all that nasty canned goop off and you may be alright. Especially if you soak them overnight in kefir even further. But still...eh.
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          • #6
            Also, beans are gross. They taste like inferior calories. They taste like filler.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by ChocoTaco369 View Post
              You can boil beans under pressure to deactivate the lectins, sure. They're still a source of poor quality protein and difficult to digest no matter what you do, though.
              Why are they so touted by nutritionist and even some fitness gurus? They all talk about fiber and protein and feeling full, etc.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by gopintos View Post
                Why are they so touted by nutritionist and even some fitness gurus? They all talk about fiber and protein and feeling full, etc.
                Fiber = unnecessary, potentially harmful
                Protein = Beans < Animals.
                Feeling Full = Full of gas. Awesome.
                Nutritionists/Fitness Gurus = Want you to trade butter for linoleic acid. Eggs for beans. CW mimicking idiots.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Nigel View Post
                  I don't do sacrifices and will eat some legumes when I fancy them. I'd rather just accept there may be a tiny risk to my health, but, as I have had no traumas I am sure it is negligible. I LIKE broad beans, peas, baked beans and I will eat them if I don't suffer any ill effects. I also eat potatoes and tomatoes in reasonable portions as well. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised to find I have a cold lager or a nice pint of bitter if we get a summer here in England this year!
                  Sounds completely sensible to me!

                  I feel the same way about white potatoes, dairy, and the occasional tortilla chips and salsa or a bowl of oatmeal.

                  I'll eat beans as a secondary ingredient in a delicious recipe, or if I'm eating ethnic dishes, but not as a substitute for the protein and nutrition of a serving of meat.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by RichMahogany View Post
                    CW mimicking idiots.
                    Thanks.

                    I had added them in when I first started out (cw dieting) cuz I thought I was suppose to, so cutting them back out was no big deal. However when things quit progressing I was starting to think maybe I should add them back in, at least until the extra fat is all gone.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Sandra in BC View Post
                      Sounds completely sensible to me!

                      I feel the same way about white potatoes, dairy, and the occasional tortilla chips and salsa or a bowl of oatmeal.

                      I'll eat beans as a secondary ingredient in a delicious recipe, or if I'm eating ethnic dishes, but not as a substitute for the protein and nutrition of a serving of meat.
                      Yeah, eat them on occasion if you really want/like them, then move on with your life. Don't base your diet on them. That's why vegans tend to be sickly. They eat beans instead of cows.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by gopintos View Post
                        Why are they so touted by nutritionist and even some fitness gurus? They all talk about fiber and protein and feeling full, etc.
                        Beans are slow to digest, contain a lot of fiber, they contain a lot of protein (meaning you can get lots of protein without *gasp* saturated animal fats) and are fairly low calorie. They look good on paper in terms of macronutrients. Then you do the research.

                        About half of the fiber in beans are soluble fibers, which are actually beneficial (along with some resistant starch), but the other half is insoluble and more difficult to digest. This is why traditional beans are soaked and fermented - beans are notorious for making you have bad gas because of digestion difficulties.

                        The protein content of beans looks great, until you realize they are almost all incomplete amino acid profiles and about 45-60% of it is actually bioavailable, which varies from bean to bean. That means about half of the protein in a bean can't even be absorbed by the body. You'd have to eat twice the protein in a bean to equal the protein of a whole egg in terms of availability to the body, and then you have to factor in that the protein is incomplete in legumes whereas egg protein contains all essential amino acids.

                        They're relatively low in micros vs the phytate content (hence the sprouting, soaking and fermenting traditionally) as well.

                        It's cheap, flavorless filler. You could maybe make some low calorie black bean brownies out of them for a treat without a big impact on weight loss goals, but aside from that, I don't see the point. I'll admit, they sound alright.

                        1 (15 ounce) can black beans
                        3 eggs
                        3 tablespoons oil
                        1/2 cup cocoa
                        1/2 teaspoon baking powder
                        1 pinch salt
                        1 teaspoon vanilla
                        3/4 cup sugar
                        1/2 cup milk chocolate chips

                        Black Bean Brownies Gluten Free) Recipe - Food.com - 418692

                        Although I'd skip all that sugar - there is probably enough in the chocolate chips - and whatever's lacking I'd round out with stevia.

                        I haven't bought beans for 2 years. The only time I've eaten them is the handful of times I've gone out to Mexican restaurants because white rice and beans come with everything. I won't lie, they're delicious when made right, but they're not in my pantry at any given point. Truth be told, they are pretty filling per calorie and would probably aid weight loss if all you about is weight loss and not overall health. They're not gluten grains or oats - they're definitely an order of magnitude better - but still pretty low on my priority list. I put my personal health as #1 beyond strictly weight loss, so that's why I don't eat almost all grains and beans.
                        Last edited by ChocoTaco369; 02-27-2013, 04:58 PM.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Nigel View Post
                          I don't do sacrifices and will eat some legumes when I fancy them. I'd rather just accept there may be a tiny risk to my health, but, as I have had no traumas I am sure it is negligible. I LIKE broad beans, peas, baked beans and I will eat them if I don't suffer any ill effects. I also eat potatoes and tomatoes in reasonable portions as well. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised to find I have a cold lager or a nice pint of bitter if we get a summer here in England this year!
                          +1

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by ChocoTaco369 View Post
                            I haven't bought beans for 2 years. The only time I've eaten them is the handful of times I've gone out to Mexican restaurants because white rice and beans come with everything. I won't lie, they're delicious when made right, but they're not in my pantry at any given point. Truth be told, they are pretty filling per calorie and would probably aid weight loss if all you about is weight loss and not overall health. They're not gluten grains or oats - they're definitely an order of magnitude better - but still pretty low on my priority list. I put my personal health as #1 beyond strictly weight loss, so that's why I don't eat almost all grains and beans.
                            Thank you for all the info.
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                            • #15
                              I love beans. Hummus is lovely. A good falafel (made with home soaked chickpeas, of course) is delicious. And a good dhall is really super. They are things I have quite rarely but really enjoy when I do.

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