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  • #61
    Originally posted by Paleobird View Post
    <whoooooosh>(The sound of a joke passing overhead)
    I'm an English professor. The switch of "your" and "you're" and the bad punctuation was deliberate. Sorry you missed it.
    Im surprised that was the first grammar mistake of mine you quoted seeing as i have no respect for the english language or the use of these thigs ,';.

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    • #62
      Originally posted by Zach View Post
      Im surprised that was the first grammar mistake of mine you quoted seeing as i have no respect for the english language or the use of these thigs ,';.
      True. If I quoted every one of your grammar boo boos I would not get anything else done in a day. I just thought you telling people (on a Primal site) to get "passed" the fact that 180degree "health" advocates junk food and grains was funny.

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      • #63
        I relay two mulch own spill cheek sum thyme.
        65lbs gone and counting!!

        Fat 2 Fit - One Woman's Journey

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        • #64
          Originally posted by magicmerl View Post
          That's great. If you don't mind my asking, what are your dietary sources of magnesium, iodine and vitamin D?
          When I have raw dairy I supplement with Natural Calm for magnesium. If I don't have any dairy, which is most of the time, I find that sweet potatoes and russet potatoes balance me out and I have no or very little tolerance for more magnesium.

          Iodine is something I don't get in food, as I HATE those foods. I take kelp tablets for that need.

          Vitamin D3 I supplement (with K2) in the winter or days when I can't get outside. The rest of the year I make an effort to expose myself a good amount each day. I have had this tested and my levels were great.
          PaleoMom's Diet Recovery Journal
          http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread82059.html

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          • #65
            Originally posted by PaleoMom View Post
            I have tracked my calories very carefully for a very long time. I was not accidentally eating more than I thought. To lose I need to maintain 1,000. That never works and once I reach around 1200 I start gaining again. I do eat 100% primal with the exception of a small amount of raw grass-fed dairy. No primal "treats". I don't "need" to lose but would like to lose 10 pounds of fat. My bigger concern is needing to starve myself for the rest of my life just to maintain myself above where I would like to be anyway! I am hungry often, but more importantly I'm obsessed with food all day long. I'm tired of food being my life.

            Just to report: Today is day 3 of this experiment. I'm up 4 pounds but my waist is the same size. I also feel firmer everywhere. Sort of like my fat is toning up if that makes any sense at all. I would guess this is an inflammation reduction. Also, my energy is up, focus is better, mood is better, stress is down. None of those things previously seemed like problem areas before, yet I still enjoy this further improvement.
            I do hope you can get to a place you are comfortable about what you are doing and it works for you.

            Originally posted by eKatherine View Post
            Cats need to be fed separately or in groups of similar eating style. As predators they are natural scavengers and thieves.
            Sorry not sure what you mean in reference to my comment?
            My cats eat raw and eat right next to each other.

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            • #66
              Originally posted by Ayla2010 View Post
              I do hope you can get to a place you are comfortable about what you are doing and it works for you.
              Thanks, me too.
              PaleoMom's Diet Recovery Journal
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              • #67
                IMO human body shape & weight distribution in a population probably follows a statistical deviation curve where 2/3 are pretty much normal BMI, just under 1/3 are marginally heavy or light and a very small percentage, maybe 0.5% are morbidly obese or thin and these are most likely due to genetic issues.

                The unfortunate thing is that curve can be shifted by external inputs, like diet, environment, lifestyle, psychological pressures from peers and the mass marketing machine.

                Consuming healthy nutrient rich Primal/Paleo foods to satiety for the bulk of the population would result in a healthy weight stable position, this may not be the position you think you should be at and if so, feel free to do all your adjustments to fine tune and tell your body you know better, knowing all the while you probably really have no idea and your body will respond in it's own way and you can then enjoy your dieting roller coaster ride, and don't kid yourself that it is right because it's kind of Primal.

                The other option is to throw out the scales and mirror and learn to accept yourself as you are, I highly doubt there is anyone out there who is eating and living Primal that has an out of control weight problem, most of the weights I see quoted are either not that excessive when slightly heavy and often sound underweight to me.

                My partner ranges 150-175lb and is about 5'4", yes she does have a bit of belly pout and a bit extra on her arms and thighs, but I'm ok with that and so is she, she is curvy, and most people are surprised at her actual weight possibly because she has a clear waist line, you need to have a bit extra above and below to show there is a waist there rather than just trying to shrink the waist artificially.

                Most female role models and images today are basically pre pubescent school girl form, that's not an achieaveable target for the majority of the female population.

                My realisation on this came many years before I even thought about the Primal thing, it was a beach seen and the vision of a body builder running legs spread wide because of excessive thighs interfering with movement, into the arms of his equally artificial looking partner, that's when i realised function was a better goal than form, aka health over looks.
                "There are no short cuts to enlightenment, the journey is the destination, you have to walk this path alone"

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                • #68
                  Originally posted by Omni View Post
                  Most female role models and images today are basically pre pubescent school girl form, that's not an achieaveable target for the majority of the female population.

                  My realisation on this came many years before I even thought about the Primal thing, it was a beach seen and the vision of a body builder running legs spread wide because of excessive thighs interfering with movement, into the arms of his equally artificial looking partner, that's when i realised function was a better goal than form, aka health over looks.
                  The phrase "an ass like a 10 year old boy" has become disturbingly popular in movies/tv to describe a supposedly desirable woman. That disturbs me in so many different ways! I know my husband has always said he would prefer my being overweight to underweight. It is nice to be with someone that appreciates what real women's bodies are like. Square hips, no butt and no hair does not a woman make.
                  PaleoMom's Diet Recovery Journal
                  http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread82059.html

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                  • #69
                    Oh and I hope you do really well on your journey,
                    Diet itself is only a very small part of Primal health and I think a lot of people lose sight of this.
                    Emotional health is just as important if not more important, being at peace is crucial to well being,
                    expectations, desire, fear, regret, retribution, jealosy etc, these are all things positioned in our future and past and most of us spend 90% of our waking hours there, it is our attachment to these things that bring us misery.

                    Yet happiness is only ever found in the present moment, and the present moment is all there ever is or will be.

                    Vote 1 for the present moment, take in the world around you, the sights, sounds, tastes, smells, textures, use every fibre of your being to suck it up, that is where our energy comes from.

                    That's not to mention the other things like built in physical activity in our daily life, social engagement etc.
                    Last edited by Omni; 02-27-2013, 03:45 AM.
                    "There are no short cuts to enlightenment, the journey is the destination, you have to walk this path alone"

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                    • #70
                      PaleoMom - what are you doing in terms of exercise?
                      ad astra per aspera

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                      • #71
                        Originally posted by Omni View Post
                        Oh and I hope you do really well on your journey,
                        Diet itself is only a very small part of Primal health and I think a lot of people lose sight of this.
                        Emotional health is just as important if not more important, being at peace is crucial to well being,
                        expectations, desire, fear, regret, retribution, jealosy etc, these are all things positioned in our future and past and most of us spend 90% of our waking hours there, it is our attachment to these things that bring us misery.

                        Yet happiness is only ever found in the present moment, and the present moment is all there ever is or will be.

                        Vote 1 for the present moment, take in the world around you, the sights, sounds, tastes, smells, textures, use every fibre of your being to suck it up, that is where our energy comes from.

                        That's not to mention the other things like built in physical activity in our daily life, social engagement etc.
                        I'm slowly coming to the realization that I might have orthorexia. I spend the vast majority or my time focused on food. Counting, weighing, researching, planning, stressing over it. It blows my mind to talk with people who clearly don't think about food at all when it isn't meal time. I want to cry when I think of what I could have done with all of that time and energy.
                        PaleoMom's Diet Recovery Journal
                        http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread82059.html

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                        • #72
                          Originally posted by Omni View Post
                          Consuming healthy nutrient rich Primal/Paleo foods to satiety for the bulk of the population would result in a healthy weight stable position, this may not be the position you think you should be at and if so, feel free to do all your adjustments to fine tune and tell your body you know better, knowing all the while you probably really have no idea and your body will respond in it's own way and you can then enjoy your dieting roller coaster ride, and don't kid yourself that it is right because it's kind of Primal.

                          The other option is to throw out the scales and mirror and learn to accept yourself as you are, I highly doubt there is anyone out there who is eating and living Primal that has an out of control weight problem, most of the weights I see quoted are either not that excessive when slightly heavy and often sound underweight to me.
                          I've pretty much come to a similar conclusion. I could try really hard to boss my body around and probably at best succeed for about 5 minutes. Or I could accept myself and see what this body can do.

                          So I lift heavy and go out and enjoy life and eat lots of healthy food to support my chosen active lifestyle. I'm heavy for my size, by which I mean if some guy came over and tried to lift he me would say "Whoah, you are heavy!" and be surprised. 135, or whatever I weight now (because I haven't looked for about 4 months) really isn't that awful for a woman with my height and strength. If I wanted to be lighter and smaller I'd probably get more fragile, and I really don't want to be fragile.
                          Female, 5'3", 50, Max squat: 202.5lbs. Max deadlift: 225 x 3.

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                          • #73
                            Originally posted by PaleoMom View Post
                            I'm slowly coming to the realization that I might have orthorexia. I spend the vast majority or my time focused on food. Counting, weighing, researching, planning, stressing over it. It blows my mind to talk with people who clearly don't think about food at all when it isn't meal time. I want to cry when I think of what I could have done with all of that time and energy.
                            *biggest hugs*

                            You are SO not alone with this. I've been so obsessed with food my whole life, I have no idea what it's like to NOT be planning my entire schedule around eating, not eating, will this involve food, won't it, etc etc.

                            I am baffled and envious of people who are not constantly obsessing over food and eating. I cannot even imagine what it must be like, or what I might think about instead.
                            yay!

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                            • #74
                              Originally posted by Omni View Post
                              The other option is to throw out the scales and mirror and learn to accept yourself as you are, I highly doubt there is anyone out there who is eating and living Primal that has an out of control weight problem, most of the weights I see quoted are either not that excessive when slightly heavy and often sound underweight to me.

                              Most female role models and images today are basically pre pubescent school girl form, that's not an achieaveable target for the majority of the female population.
                              Coming around to this realization myself. I'm a female, 46, almost the exact same size as the OP, 5'7" and hovering between 137and 140lbs ever since I started PB back in October 2012. Spent most of my adult life til about 37 weighing between 125-130 so as I got older and starting gaining a bit it sorta freaked me out. I've thought I wanted to get back down to the "younger" weight but now I'm starting to not care anymore. I look like a real woman, gotta see that as good and not bad. And listen to my boyfriend when he says my body rocks. It does kinda wear me out every time I get on here and hear people my size whining about being fat...

                              And I hope my grammar and punctuation were all acceptable.
                              Breathe. Move forward.

                              I just eat what I want...

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                              • #75
                                Originally posted by magnolia1973 View Post
                                ? I don't know. I spend a lot of time with horses. In a barn, you may have a very fat horse that eats very little, and a thin horse that eats a ton. If I feed my fat horse more, he just gets fatter. If I feed my thin horse less, he gets thinner. There may be diagnosable issues (commonly ulcers in a thin horse, metabolic diseases in a fat one). But in a lot of cases, metabolism is genetic (you take it back to the breed). Very rare to see a fat TB, under any feeding program; very uncommon to see a thin QH unless they are being very purposefully starved.

                                Then you factor in the physical activity- the heavy horse may be in hard work and lean. The thin horse may be nervous and fretful. But I can't do much to make it so that the heavy horse can eat more like the thin horse; and we are controlling for behavior and environment.

                                It would be really cool if you could increase your metabolism by eating more. But I don't know, I don't have much desire to eat an extra 500 calories of whole foods. Yeah, if I could increase it and eat what I do right now, plus I could add in say, 500 calories of paleo treats, I'd be all over that. But to add in a few more eggs and some veggies unless I was hungry doesn't seem worth it.
                                So I'll go back to the topic at hand momentarily but I couldn't help but comment here, lol.

                                In my experience and my naturopathic vets experience, and my equine nutritionists experience (and she has a phd and has written books lol). Most of these problems with horses can be managed or changed by allowing the horse to live and eat the way horses evolved to do. Feed the fat horse 2 square meals a day of hay and his belly is empty throughout the middle of the day, his stomach continues to secrete acid because he is designed by nature to be constantly grazing and constantly on the move, he gets stressed, and pigs out at his next meal. This is the hay vacume you have probably experienced many times before. Put that same horse in a larger turn out so he can move around more, and start free feeding him APPROPRIATE (this is key) hay, and he will lose weight and normalize. After a week or 2 he will stop being the hay vacume and he will nibble at his pile throghout the day as he sees fit. His overall intake will probably be less then it was when he was geetting two meals a day. I have two horses currenty, and have owned a total of 4 in my past, and that doesn't include the ones that I have managed for clients. I have normalized and slimmed down many cresty confirmed insulin resistant via blood test horses using this method. My two personal horses average only three small to medium flakes of hay a day being free fed. appropriate hay is a good grass hay that is low in sugar and high in digestible fiber. (you have to have the hay tested to figure this out, and this is achieved by cutting hay under the proper weather conditions at the appropriate maturity stage of the grass).

                                Ok, back to the topic at hand lol.

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