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  • If nothing else, bumping up the metabolism by eating more should allow you to lose weight at a higher calorie level than before.
    PaleoMom's Diet Recovery Journal
    http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread82059.html

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    • I am still not tight and athletic looking. Weight got up to 135 lbs (with a very large thigh increase on the top of the thigh & belly hang increase), now that I finally weighed in this Saturday. I stopped weighing and tracking about Oct-November, and I was about 123-125 lbs at that time, trying to go down to 118-120 lbs. My LBM is ~ 105 lbs. I was doing X-fit inspired WODs (ie same reps as posted, but with the weight I can handle and without time limit) for slightly over a month until March 23rd when I injured my knee. This weekend it was icy and horrid outside, so I skipped the workout on Sunday but still ate (house bound) and weight shot up to 138 lbs this morning. I am doing a fasting day today for as long as I can manage, hopefully till tomorrow morning, and then, I am afraid I cannot continue to eat to satiation.

      Overall, I had a better result, ~ 132 lbs with 107 lbs LBM when I bulked up, doing the 5x5 lifting regimen with eating 1800-2200 cals a day including a serving of non-glutenous grain for muscular gain.

      For lean-ness, I had a far better result when starving and loading using the Ultimate Diet 2.0.

      I am not sure what I am doing about food restrictions yet, but I know that I am going back to the 5x5 starting from scratch with an empty bar. With food, I am most likely going to try for 1 full day of fasting, and then follow lean gain idea on all other days (high carb/low fat on lifting days at slight surplus, and low carb/high fat on cardio days at slight deficit). If anything, these past 5 months for SURE should qualify as giving me methabolic and adrenal rest, and convinced me beyond any doubt that I absolutely cannot feed myself to satiation and look good.

      So, yeah, re-hashing on all the appetite suppression tricks and the least caloric foods for the biggest bulk and all that stuff.
      Last edited by Leida; 04-08-2013, 09:41 AM.
      My Journal: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread57916.html
      When I let go of what I am, I become what I might be.

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      • Originally posted by Leida View Post
        these past 5 months for SURE should qualify as giving me methabolic and adrenal rest, and convinced me beyond any doubt that I absolutely cannot feed myself to satiation and look good.

        So, yeah, re-hashing on all the appetite suppression tricks and the least caloric foods for the biggest bulk and all that stuff.
        Leida, just wondering - do you have a history of ED? If so, it may take longer for your body to start letting go of the fat because it's still waiting for another "Famine".

        Edit: Also, have you had your bloods done and your thyroid checked?
        Last edited by YogaBare; 04-08-2013, 10:12 AM.
        "I think the basic anti-aging diet is also the best diet for prevention and treatment of diabetes, scleroderma, and the various "connective tissue diseases." This would emphasize high protein, low unsaturated fats, low iron, and high antioxidant consumption, with a moderate or low starch consumption.

        In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements."

        - Ray Peat

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        • Originally posted by Leida View Post
          If anything, these past 5 months for SURE should qualify as giving me methabolic and adrenal rest...
          I know that's a typo, but I think it should be a word.

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          • Leida,

            I'm curious if you have tracked your body temperature at all? I'd be curious if it came up and the weight never came off or if the temp is still low...
            PaleoMom's Diet Recovery Journal
            http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread82059.html

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            • Nope, no history of ED. I am absolutely incapable of skipping meals, and eating under 1000 cals a day. Mom made me fast when I was 16 or 17, and after that there was exactly 1 day when I managed to avoid all food. Even with UD when my daily intake might have dipped in 900 cals range, on average I was above 1300. I also have never had my weight dip below 114 lbs that is the lowest BMI for my height for longer than 1 day! I might have hit 110 for like 2 weeks 18 years ago... but given the accuracy of the scale used, I doubt it very much. I can't throw up unless I have a virus, I don't take laxatives, and my binges were a normal response to going hungry, and pretty modest within 4,000 cal a day range. I am just a very normal plumpish gal with a big appetite that increases from fresh air and activity. The only non-average thing about me is my below average athletic ability which was like that all my life.
              My Journal: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread57916.html
              When I let go of what I am, I become what I might be.

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              • I'm up a couple more pounds having weighed in this morning, but TOM is due to start in a day or two and I indulged a bit in some Indian buffet deliciousness last night (been a looong time), so I was completely expecting it. No big deal. I know it's all water, since I'm pretty tuned in to what the symptoms of excess water look like on me...to that end, I got another appointment with the internal specialist on the 19th to see what he recommends next as far as dealing with my full-body edema...it's going on nine months now without answers...so frustrating.

                The last week, though, I found myself disinterested in eating as much, and I haven't been. I'm going to make a more conscious effort to get my intake up again this week because I'm into this a month now, so there's no point in going half-assed and having it get me next to nowhere as far as healing my metabolism.

                My sleep this past week has also been really crappy...I was at the point the week before where I was sleeping like the dead through the night. This week, not at all. I've been waking up many times a night (the mister has been sleeping very restlessly, though, too and with his predisposition to steal the whole damn duvet and thrash around and elbow me, it's no bloody wonder), been way too goddamn hot (window's been open and the thermostat is never above 18C at night) and just feeling worn out during the day as a result. Not optimal. The only thing I can think of that's been different is I started a daily squat challenge on the 1st with some girlfriends and am doing a couple hundred squats a day...but they aren't leaving me feeling overexerted or sore or anything, so I don't think I can lay the blame there. I have been working out a bit most weeks, doing some free weight and bodyweight exercises a couple times a week. I haven't gotten a lot of slow movement in lately, other than standing at my desk while I work and the natural constant movement that goes along with that. I'm hoping the weather will stop sucking (Leida knows what I'm talking about, we just got a giant dump of snow here overnight) and I plan to start getting out more in the afternoons/evenings, even if it's just for a jaunt around the block.

                My morning temp is still up there (for me), it bounced around between 97.7 and 98.1 this past week. One weird thing I noticed this morning, though - the right side under my tongue was 97.7...the left side registered 96.9. I tested both sides twice, same thing. And I've noticed a few times later this morning that I can feel the difference in temp on the left side (feeling with my tongue) over the right. It's so weird.

                Anyhow...things are still going relatively well for me, so I plan to keep at it, despite feeling fluffier and squishier than ever and like I'm stuffed into my clothes most days. I know it's temporary, and I'm looking forward to getting my metabolic issues handled. The weight will come off with time, I know this.

                Hope the rest of you are keeping well

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                • Seeing I sweat at night and have no instants of being cold any more, I am pretty sure my body temp is just fine. I can't for the life of me use the 'in the mouth thermometers, but under the arm-pit I always come with 36.6 Centigrade, which was considered normal back when I was a kid.

                  And I have never been called back about thyroid, and whatever else they normally check here in Canada (which means I am fine). I am perfectly healthy, even too healthy for my own good, hence the high appetite responding to activity. I don't want to be an anemone and don't move to reduce my appetite and eat like once a day or every other day. I like eating.
                  My Journal: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread57916.html
                  When I let go of what I am, I become what I might be.

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                  • Originally posted by Leida View Post
                    Nope, no history of ED. I am absolutely incapable of skipping meals, and eating under 1000 cals a day. Mom made me fast when I was 16 or 17, and after that there was exactly 1 day when I managed to avoid all food. Even with UD when my daily intake might have dipped in 900 cals range, on average I was above 1300. I also have never had my weight dip below 114 lbs that is the lowest BMI for my height for longer than 1 day! I might have hit 110 for like 2 weeks 18 years ago... but given the accuracy of the scale used, I doubt it very much. I can't throw up unless I have a virus, I don't take laxatives, and my binges were a normal response to going hungry, and pretty modest within 4,000 cal a day range. I am just a very normal plumpish gal with a big appetite that increases from fresh air and activity. The only non-average thing about me is my below average athletic ability which was like that all my life.
                    In your journal it looks like around 40% of your days (when you had been logging it in) were below 1000 calories. I see that you also bumped it up about once a week, but that is very still low. Also, there is a lot of self hatred in there that makes me very sad to hear. There is more to having an ED than throwing up and becoming a waif. Disordered eating comes in many forms. Do your food and eating habits feel like they are ruling your world and does what you see in the mirror determine how happy your are and what you think of yourself? If yes, then I think it is more important to address these issues than to succeed at dropping the weight you are trying to lose.

                    ETA: Hmmm, I think it found a few pages of particularly low calories (like around page 10-11) I see now that you weren't always that low.
                    Last edited by PaleoMom; 04-08-2013, 10:46 AM.
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                    http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread82059.html

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                    • Originally posted by PaleoMom View Post
                      Also, there is a lot of self hatred in there that makes me very sad to hear. There is more to having an ED than throwing up and becoming a waif. Disordered eating comes in many forms. Do your food and eating habits feel like they are ruling your world and does what you see in the mirror determine how happy your are and what you think of yourself? If yes, then I think it is more important to address these issues than to succeed at dropping the weight you are trying to lose.
                      +1. If I were sitting at 138lbs, I'd be having a fucking party.

                      Originally posted by Leida View Post
                      This weekend it was icy and horrid outside, so I skipped the workout on Sunday but still ate (house bound) and weight shot up to 138 lbs this morning. I am doing a fasting day today for as long as I can manage, hopefully till tomorrow morning, and then, I am afraid I cannot continue to eat to satiation.
                      This, to me, is disordered.

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                      • This was me, until I turned 21 and started drinking alcohol. My guess is that's because alcohol not only slows your metabolism, but also contains quite a few calories.

                        Before that, I maintained a weight of between 120lbs and 130lbs for years (since I finished growing at like 13, I guess). I am 5'9". I walked to and from school, which was 4 miles in total, while in high school. In college, I walked to and from the bus stop, the stops at both the school and near my house being at least half a mile away, down a hill. So, I exercised regularly.

                        I also had caffein regularly. My guess is that the combination of exercise and caffein kept my metabolism going very fast. I could eat a 16 inch pizza every friday, by myself, and not gain a pound. I ate a lot!

                        Perhaps try walking at least 3 hours a day, and having caffein. Maybe that will speed up your metabolism. Do this *before* you increase your food intake, because you need the metabolism *first* or it will just be excess weight.
                        Stumbled into Primal due to food allergies, and subsequent elimination of non-primal foods.

                        Start Gluten-Free/Soy-Free: December 2012; start weight 158lbs, Ladies size 6
                        Start Primal: March 2013, start weight 150lbs, Ladies size 6
                        Current: 132lbs, Ladies size 2
                        F/23/5'9"

                        26lbs lost since cutting the crap.

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                        • Originally posted by kathleen View Post
                          Perhaps try walking at least 3 hours a day, and having caffein. Maybe that will speed up your metabolism. Do this *before* you increase your food intake, because you need the metabolism *first* or it will just be excess weight.
                          Ah, if it really were just so simple.

                          Yes, it will be excess weight, which will come off quite handily once the metabolism is restored. And I can assure you it will take more than three hours of walking a day (who the hell has time for this?) and caffeine to restore a deregulated metabolism.

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                          • Originally posted by lemontwisst View Post
                            Ah, if it really were just so simple.

                            Yes, it will be excess weight, which will come off quite handily once the metabolism is restored. And I can assure you it will take more than three hours of walking a day (who the hell has time for this?) and caffeine to restore a deregulated metabolism.
                            Well, I have time for that. I only work 8 hours a day.

                            That's just what I did on a daily basis back when I was stick-thin. Maybe it also had something to do with me being young, I have heard young people naturally have faster metabolisms.

                            Don't bash it until you've tried it, maybe it is as simple as being active every day. I was certainly much more active as a teen, and 30 pounds lighter.
                            Stumbled into Primal due to food allergies, and subsequent elimination of non-primal foods.

                            Start Gluten-Free/Soy-Free: December 2012; start weight 158lbs, Ladies size 6
                            Start Primal: March 2013, start weight 150lbs, Ladies size 6
                            Current: 132lbs, Ladies size 2
                            F/23/5'9"

                            26lbs lost since cutting the crap.

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                            • I always recommend long slow walks to newbies I meet. I used to be down on them, but now I think they are highly underrated. It's a combination of starting to get in shape for people who are seriously out of shape and are not ready for vigorous exercise, and getting out of the house for a few hours when otherwise you might be bored and rummaging in the refrigerator for something to do.

                              Obviously not for everybody.

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                              • Originally posted by Leida View Post
                                Nope, no history of ED. I am absolutely incapable of skipping meals, and eating under 1000 cals a day. Mom made me fast when I was 16 or 17, and after that there was exactly 1 day when I managed to avoid all food. Even with UD when my daily intake might have dipped in 900 cals range, on average I was above 1300. I also have never had my weight dip below 114 lbs that is the lowest BMI for my height for longer than 1 day! I might have hit 110 for like 2 weeks 18 years ago... but given the accuracy of the scale used, I doubt it very much. I can't throw up unless I have a virus, I don't take laxatives, and my binges were a normal response to going hungry, and pretty modest within 4,000 cal a day range. I am just a very normal plumpish gal with a big appetite that increases from fresh air and activity. The only non-average thing about me is my below average athletic ability which was like that all my life.
                                Aw... well it's a shame that you're saying you can't eat to satiation. How did the last five months progress for you? How was your hunger and satiation? I've been doing this for just over three weeks, but it's been reflationary. I wasn't expecting it to go how it did, or to learn all the things I'm learning.

                                Did you learn about the rhythms of your body and your appetite? I really don't want you to go back to depriving yourself. I've done it for 13 years: food and being skinny have ruled my life. I may be heavier now than I've ever been before, but I never want to go back to that mindset. The amount of time I've wasted looking in the mirror criticising myself is just so wrong.
                                "I think the basic anti-aging diet is also the best diet for prevention and treatment of diabetes, scleroderma, and the various "connective tissue diseases." This would emphasize high protein, low unsaturated fats, low iron, and high antioxidant consumption, with a moderate or low starch consumption.

                                In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements."

                                - Ray Peat

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