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  • For those who are gaining primarily in the stomach area, that is quite normal in a "refeeding" phase. Cortisol tends to be quite high from long term under eating. As you continue to over eat and coritisol levels regulate, the fat should redistribute to your hips/thighs/butt. Some women don't like that, but it's actually a normal and healthy body composition for a woman to carry her fat in her hips/thighs/butt. It's a sign of good estrogen/progesterone/testosterone balance.

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    • And oddly, my upper abs are actually getting more defined! Wonder why that is?
      Upper portion of the rectus abdominus stands out more for me as well, that's re-hydration of the muscle, I think. Well, at least for me, because I included more carbs. I have read that many body-builders note that they look better AFTER the competition day when they re-hydrated and re-carbed, so muscle start standing out. But then it is obscured by the gut. It is not the same definition as I can see on the 'cut' folks. I see no definition change on the thighs
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      • Originally posted by Leida View Post
        Upper portion of the rectus abdominus stands out more for me as well, that's re-hydration of the muscle, I think. Well, at least for me, because I included more carbs. I have read that many body-builders note that they look better AFTER the competition day when they re-hydrated and re-carbed, so muscle start standing out. But then it is obscured by the gut. It is not the same definition as I can see on the 'cut' folks. I see no definition change on the thighs
        Interesting... How does your definition vary from the "cut folks"? Now that I think of it, I've noticed that my calve muscles are looking way more defined as well... prob the same reason. Everything else looks the same (or bigger )
        "I think the basic anti-aging diet is also the best diet for prevention and treatment of diabetes, scleroderma, and the various "connective tissue diseases." This would emphasize high protein, low unsaturated fats, low iron, and high antioxidant consumption, with a moderate or low starch consumption.

        In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements."

        - Ray Peat

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        • Originally posted by NDF View Post
          For those who are gaining primarily in the stomach area, that is quite normal in a "refeeding" phase. Cortisol tends to be quite high from long term under eating. As you continue to over eat and coritisol levels regulate, the fat should redistribute to your hips/thighs/butt. Some women don't like that, but it's actually a normal and healthy body composition for a woman to carry her fat in her hips/thighs/butt. It's a sign of good estrogen/progesterone/testosterone balance.
          Cheers NDF
          "I think the basic anti-aging diet is also the best diet for prevention and treatment of diabetes, scleroderma, and the various "connective tissue diseases." This would emphasize high protein, low unsaturated fats, low iron, and high antioxidant consumption, with a moderate or low starch consumption.

          In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements."

          - Ray Peat

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          • Originally posted by lemontwisst View Post
            @BestBetter - I take a B Complex each day that has 100mg of Niacinamide; no stranger to B vit supps (also take 2500mcg B12 daily). I don't notice much energy change whether I'm taking the B complex or not.

            As for the Raw Thyroid - according to the labs taken and reviewed by the internal specialist I've seen for some of my problems, my TSH, T3 and T4 levels are all where they should be, so I'm hesitant to start taking something that at best will do nothing for me or, at worst, exacerbate some of the other problems I'm trying to determine the cause of. I will be in to see him again some time in April and plan to discuss thyroid issues in greater details with him then (including asking to have free and reverse T3 tested since they haven't been already) and once I have those answers, I may look into it more.
            I'm not trying to convince you to take anything, but just for comparison, the Niacinamide I take is 500mg per capsule, and i take 3-4 per day, which is 1,500-2,000 mg daily vs. 100 mg in your B complex, so I'm not surprised that you don't feel anything from such a small dose.

            I also have a decades worth of completely 'normal' thyroid bloodwork...everything from T3, T4, TSH, T7 on paper all exactly what they should be, yet I've always had very obvious hypothyroid symptoms that became crippling after going low carb. Again, not telling you what to do, but online forums are filled with people who are struggling with hypothyroid problems yet have completely normal bloodwork.

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            • I don't think overeating is a good thing. I think we all should just eat as much as our natural appetite's ask for and eat the most nutritious, protein-rich and natural foods possible to do so (i.e. not wine and chocolate). I've come to the conclusion that chronic undereating causes a lot of long-term problems. But chronic overeating is not the answer. Restoring normal appetite control is the answer.
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              • Originally posted by lemontwisst View Post
                You DO...where do you think they got those genes from? Only trouble is, the way your genes are expressing themselves is flawed, because the mechanism(s) through which they do so isn't functioning optimally.
                That was a joke
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                • Originally posted by BestBetter View Post
                  I'm not trying to convince you to take anything, but just for comparison, the Niacinamide I take is 500mg per capsule, and i take 3-4 per day, which is 1,500-2,000 mg daily vs. 100 mg in your B complex, so I'm not surprised that you don't feel anything from such a small dose.

                  I also have a decades worth of completely 'normal' thyroid bloodwork...everything from T3, T4, TSH, T7 on paper all exactly what they should be, yet I've always had very obvious hypothyroid symptoms that became crippling after going low carb. Again, not telling you what to do, but online forums are filled with people who are struggling with hypothyroid problems yet have completely normal bloodwork.
                  I understand you weren't trying to tell me what to do - I sincerely appreciate the advice!

                  I will look into the niacinamide more...I'm curious to know more about if there is a safe upper limit for a daily dosage and also about optimal ratios for all the B vits in relation to each other. Maybe Derpamix has some input on this...??

                  I don't doubt your experience with the Raw Thyroid, and I am keen on checking it out. If the internal specialist can't sort out any answers, my next move is to visit a naturopath ($$, ugh) and this will definitely be part of the discussion.

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                  • Originally posted by YogaBare View Post

                    Out of interest, how are you gaining weight? I measured my hips and they have stayed the same, but my belly and breasts keep growing..!
                    My hips and thighs went up from where I started but haven't gone past where I was in the past at around 138 even though now I'm at 143.6. They only went up maybe a 1 and 1.5 cm. My waist is bigger and my breasts for sure. Hubby actually thinks I look awesome and isn't wanting anything to come back off. Gotta love him.
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                    • Originally posted by sbhikes View Post
                      I don't think overeating is a good thing. I think we all should just eat as much as our natural appetite's ask for and eat the most nutritious, protein-rich and natural foods possible to do so (i.e. not wine and chocolate). I've come to the conclusion that chronic undereating causes a lot of long-term problems. But chronic overeating is not the answer. Restoring normal appetite control is the answer.
                      That's what I'm trying to achieve with this. I certainly don't plan to eat like this forever, but if it takes a couple of months of it to normalize my metabolism, then that's what I'm in it for.

                      I have already noticed I am less hungry during the day - I'm literally making myself go grab snacks here and there through the morning and afternoon, so something's working.

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                      • Originally posted by sbhikes View Post
                        I don't think overeating is a good thing. I think we all should just eat as much as our natural appetite's ask for and eat the most nutritious, protein-rich and natural foods possible to do so (i.e. not wine and chocolate). I've come to the conclusion that chronic undereating causes a lot of long-term problems. But chronic overeating is not the answer. Restoring normal appetite control is the answer.
                        This!!

                        And if you have been under eating for awhile your body will tell you to over eat until its happy. Then it'll balance out..it's all about learning YOUR body and what works for it. Nothing is one size fits all and people seem to over think things when it comes to nutrition. Shutting your mind off and listening to your body will be the best thing you've ever done.

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                        • Originally posted by sbhikes View Post
                          Restoring normal appetite control is the answer.
                          How do you do that?

                          That's the purpose of the whole experiment... healing issues with food and restoring natural metabolism so I can eat three solid meals a day. I know it's an insane way to approach it, but the other approach I tried for 13 years (restricting my appetite, then binging) hasn't quite worked... Don't know if this will either, but at least it's a different approach for once...
                          "I think the basic anti-aging diet is also the best diet for prevention and treatment of diabetes, scleroderma, and the various "connective tissue diseases." This would emphasize high protein, low unsaturated fats, low iron, and high antioxidant consumption, with a moderate or low starch consumption.

                          In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements."

                          - Ray Peat

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                          • Originally posted by sbhikes View Post
                            I don't think overeating is a good thing. I think we all should just eat as much as our natural appetite's ask for and eat the most nutritious, protein-rich and natural foods possible to do so (i.e. not wine and chocolate). I've come to the conclusion that chronic undereating causes a lot of long-term problems. But chronic overeating is not the answer. Restoring normal appetite control is the answer.
                            +1

                            My n=1 is that patience is key. I do think that there are many levels of "re-programming" to do for many women. Even for me, who has not done the yo-yo diet thing.

                            I do think that a week of over-eating whatever you want (Primal stuff) can help shift the restriction programming, but I definitely would not choose to do it for the purpose of re-nourishing the body. It takes time to rebuild tissues/enzymes, hormones, etc & force-feeding isn't going to speed up that process.

                            Good sleep, sufficient D3 and excellent Primal food will do it, but it does take months, maybe years--I don't think there is any way of getting around this. Lots of slow movement (1-2 hours of walking for me) has been the best metabolism booster ever.

                            I have been Primal almost 3 years and it's taken most of that time to re-regulate my hunger, eating nutrient-dense foods (including lots of liver, bone broth, etc.) I am 50, so not assuming that any of what I say is true for any of you, but hoping my experience might be helpful.

                            First, I had to get over carb/sugar/chocolate cravings. Magnesium helped a lot with that.

                            Then I needed to stop thinking I needed 3 meals a day. Fortunately, my DH & I established early on that we don't need to sit down to meals together--this has made a HUGE difference in giving myself permission to eat only when hungry. Now two meals and a snack does the job most days. I eat as much as I want.

                            Then I needed to drop the idea that I was starving myself if I only wanted a small amount of food (or that children in China would starve if I didn't clean my plate!) Lots of old mental chatter! Sometimes I eat a LOT, but not often, since I have a sedentary job & don't need a lot of calories.

                            I still eat sometimes when I "think" I should, rather than when I am hungry, but that seems to be rare these days.

                            My temps are high, no perimenopausal symptoms, good sleep and finally just an inch away from my preferred waist size.
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                            • Originally posted by sbhikes View Post
                              I don't think overeating is a good thing. I think we all should just eat as much as our natural appetite's ask for and eat the most nutritious, protein-rich and natural foods possible to do so (i.e. not wine and chocolate). I've come to the conclusion that chronic undereating causes a lot of long-term problems. But chronic overeating is not the answer. Restoring normal appetite control is the answer.
                              I don't think that anyone here is advocating chronic overeating(at least I hope not!). The overeating/refeeding being talked about here is to re-regulate systems that have been deregulated because of chronic restriction and provide enough fuel to repair the damage done to the body during those times of chronic restriction.

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                              • Originally posted by NDF View Post
                                I don't think that anyone here is advocating chronic overeating(at least I hope not!). The overeating/refeeding being talked about here is to re-regulate systems that have been deregulated because of chronic restriction and provide enough fuel to repair the damage done to the body during those times of chronic restriction.
                                Yes, thank you! I "over ate" for about a week, it has been to appetite ever since then.

                                As for all of this taking time to heal... Yes, I'm aware. I have been eating primal, nutrient dense food for 7 years. Supplementing with D3, magnesium, iodine and CLO. Before that I didn't eat bad either, still lots of good foods. I've never eaten a SAD diet outside of craving binges brought on by extreme calorie deprivation. I also sleep 8-10 hours a night in the dark. This is NOT a problem of not eating nutrient dense food, not sleeping well, not supplementing correctly or not giving it some time. Calories are a nutrient too and that is by far the greatest nutrient my body has been missing.
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