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  • I don't believe that force-feeding calories is good. I think the food you eat a lot of needs to be meat, vegetables and carbohydrates in the form of potatoes or fruit or other similar things.

    I think rather than eating beyond the feeling of fullness we women simply have to give ourselves permission to eat as much good healthy food as we really truly want and need to eat. I know that if I do not do that, I have a tendency to give in to junk food (primal junk food like dates, nuts, dried fruit, cheese, wine and dark chocolate) because it kind of tricks me in a way that it doesn't "count" or something, maybe because I only nibble at it, I don't sit down with a fork and a plate. For some reason, a big piece of meat counts. People look askance at a woman who eats big meat.

    I have no intention of eating even more than I do. If anyone wants to experiment with stuffing themselves, or force-feeding calories, be my guest.

    The Billy Craig site gives me pause because the man cannot spell worth a damn. All his grammatical and spelling errors make him come off as hugely ignorant plus his articles have a lot of anecdotes and what-if scenarios but pretty much don't actually say anything.
    Female, 5'3", 50, Max squat: 202.5lbs. Max deadlift: 225 x 3.

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    • Originally posted by sbhikes View Post
      I don't believe that force-feeding calories is good. I think the food you eat a lot of needs to be meat, vegetables and carbohydrates in the form of potatoes or fruit or other similar things.

      I think rather than eating beyond the feeling of fullness we women simply have to give ourselves permission to eat as much good healthy food as we really truly want and need to eat.
      The other thing I am doing.... right or wrong.......... is eating more often. There for awhile, I was eating once or twice a day, and maybe every couple of days... and low calorie at that..... When I started my journey, I was eating every few hours and kept it just under BMR (totally by accident) I am thinking that for now, I need to do this again. Let my body know that it can count on getting some food every 3 or so hours and it is okay to let go of the fat, more food will be on the way shortly.

      Maintenance might be different. Eating once a day, or every couple of days, might come in handy. But it was not doing anything for my weight loss efforts. Which sounds so strange to even type that. I still think about the man (oh, it was a MAN for one thing) but anyways, the fella that fasted for a year. I just didnt have good luck with fasting for weight loss. I would lose weight and be happy, only to gain it back over the course of a few days to a week.

      So I am just trying to go back to a few things that worked, but just use good whole foods. Back before I heard about insulin spikes, or carb timing, or macros and micros..... The only thing I knew was: I did know good foods from bad foods. And I knew when I was hungry.

      That might be too CW, but it seemed to work for me for weight loss anyways.
      Last edited by gopintos; 03-04-2013, 01:25 PM.
      65lbs gone and counting!!

      Fat 2 Fit - One Woman's Journey

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      • i def maintained my weight alot better when i was not eating as high fat and low carb. i've not exercised any more or less that i was then. my temperature is still high when i get up i think as i feel warm. i've always really needed to eat 3 meals a day. i can skip one or even two by default if i am out and busy. but if i am near a kitchen, i need to eat.

        People look askance at a woman who eats big meat.
        i would absolutely say from my personal experience this depends a) where you hang out and b) what size you are.

        slightly OT but has anyone seen Nia Shanks's body weight workout book? i want to get one and at least hers was written by a woman.

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        • Originally posted by sbhikes View Post
          I don't believe that force-feeding calories is good.
          I think rather than eating beyond the feeling of fullness we women simply have to give ourselves permission to eat as much good healthy food as we really truly want and need to eat.

          I have no intention of eating even more than I do. If anyone wants to experiment with stuffing themselves, or force-feeding calories, be my guest.

          The Billy Craig site gives me pause because the man cannot spell worth a damn. All his grammatical and spelling errors make him come off as hugely ignorant plus his articles have a lot of anecdotes and what-if scenarios but pretty much don't actually say anything.
          Yep. I agree. Also have you noticed that all the proponents of stuffing yourself diets seem to be at least three out of the following five:

          1)Young
          2)Male
          3)Athletic
          4)Not suffering from any metabolic derangement
          5)Not taking any medication that would effect metabolism

          BMR tables are a good place to start but not everybody needs as many calories as they call for. Eating Primally means your calorie sources are much more nutrient dense and this reduces your caloric need even more.

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          • BMR tables are a good place to start but not everybody needs as many calories as they call for.
            i also dont know how they accurately work out from my age and weight and activity rate what my BMR is. it all seems a bit random to me as muscle weighs more than fat, plus they have such broad definitions of activity rates. it is really just pick a number and go with it i reckon.

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            • Originally posted by PaleoMom View Post
              Just curious, how many calories do you think you normally eat? Just wanting to collect data...

              At only 18 though you might find the next 5 years might continue to fill you out. I was early that way, but I remember many girls that didn't really fill in all the way until mid-late college.
              I don't think I've ever even attempted to count, lol, but If I were to throw out an educated guess maybe 1500-2000. From the time I was 12-16 I used to swear to everyone who poked fun at my weight that I stuffed my face 24/7, but I think recently I've unknowingly scaled back to just eating a normal amount.
              Last edited by Jorjor; 03-04-2013, 03:23 PM.

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              • Originally posted by PaleoMom View Post
                I totally hear you. I didn't mean to sound judgmental of Molly either, it's just not the look I'm hoping to achieve is all. I started lifting a few years ago and that has help quite a bit with feeling good about myself for something that has to do with my body yet is not about fat. I do feel physically uncomfortable with extra fat, especially in my stomach area. I can still remember so well what it felt like at my lowest weight. I don't remember what I looked like or how I felt about that, what I do remember is how amazingly light I felt and comfy cuddling up in a ball with myself. It was like I was able to feel closer to my own body (I'm into yoga) and that had a very self nurturing feeling to it. It also made me feel very energetic and gave me a feeling of having fun just being in my body. Right now I feel heavy and burdened and my stomach gets in the way of bending and hugging myself. That probably all sounds rather silly! I also have a hubby that thinks I'm fine just the way I am, no pressure there. This is way more about how I feel in my body than what my body looks like in the mirror. This particular experiment also has a lot to do with wanting to end my obsession with food/dieting and come to a nice normal way of healthy eating and thinking about food.
                Wow. I could have written what's bolded above. I feel exactly the same way about my body. I have felt increasingly uncomfortable in my skin over the last year and a half (mine is due to some kind of inflammatory health issue that causes me to retain a LOT of water, despite what/how much I do or do not eat, very frustrating). But the feeling of when I was at my best is what I miss the most. It was light and effortless (I say that even though I was training hard at the time) and my clothes all fit well. I know exactly what you mean about the feeling of cuddling up in a ball with yourself. Lately I can't even get comfortable lying in bed and reading a book. Ugh. Anyway.

                I would LOVE to look like Molly. She looks pretty small to me in the pic that she has in the blog post, "My Favorite All-Natural Beauty Products: Part 1".
                I wasn't aware of her blog before you linked to it, but I'm really digging it and have subscribed. Good stuff.

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                • Originally posted by Happy Paleo Girl View Post
                  Wow. I could have written what's bolded above. I feel exactly the same way about my body. I have felt increasingly uncomfortable in my skin over the last year and a half (mine is due to some kind of inflammatory health issue that causes me to retain a LOT of water, despite what/how much I do or do not eat, very frustrating). But the feeling of when I was at my best is what I miss the most. It was light and effortless (I say that even though I was training hard at the time) and my clothes all fit well. I know exactly what you mean about the feeling of cuddling up in a ball with yourself. Lately I can't even get comfortable lying in bed and reading a book. Ugh. Anyway.

                  I would LOVE to look like Molly. She looks pretty small to me in the pic that she has in the blog post, "My Favorite All-Natural Beauty Products: Part 1".
                  I wasn't aware of her blog before you linked to it, but I'm really digging it and have subscribed. Good stuff.
                  She does look good in that picture. I had watched some videos that looked quite different, not that there is anything wrong with those either, just not what I'm wanting for myself is all.

                  I really miss the feeling of clothes feeling so easy and comfortable to wear. Bending over didn't cause waistbands to start digging in and shirts either fit or they didn't. There weren't ones that were flattering and others that shouldn't be worn in public. I miss sitting in chairs with my feet up and my knees under my chin, now that just pushes my stomach in so much I feel like I can't breathe comfortably!

                  I do hope you find out what is happening with your water retention. Have you messed around with changing salt intakes up and down? Sorry if that is way too obvious.
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                  • Originally posted by calee View Post
                    There is a local author who's name I can't recall, who has written many books. Back in the 90's in one book she recommended that if M&M's were a problem, to fill a pillowcase and eat freely until the huge craving would go away. Me? I'm a hardcore sugar junkie. I would have eaten them, then filled it over and over.
                    Correction. You *think* you would have been able to eat them.

                    That's no different from some young guy thinking he could 'take' whoever the current world heavyweight boxing champion is in a fight.

                    Just a mistaken assessment of your own abilities.
                    Disclaimer: I eat 'meat and vegetables' ala Primal, although I don't agree with the carb curve. I like Perfect Health Diet and WAPF Lactofermentation a lot.

                    Griff's cholesterol primer
                    5,000 Cal Fat <> 5,000 Cal Carbs
                    Winterbike: What I eat every day is what other people eat to treat themselves.
                    TQP: I find for me that nutrition is much more important than what I do in the gym.
                    bloodorchid is always right

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                    • I'm following this thread with interest. I spent the last 10 years eating tons of food with zero nutrition, occasionally yo-yo'ing to ridiculously restrictive "diets", and consequently bitching about how I felt like crap all the time. Since I started experimenting with primal foods in August, it's like my body CANNOT eat enough REAL food. It's like it's screaming "THANK GOD. YOU'RE FINALLY EATING FOOD. THANK GOD. MOAR PLEASE". Part of me hates the fact that I feel like I'm eating 6,000 calories a day (exaggeration obviously), but then the other part of me thinks that I survived on crap food (aka no nutrition) for over a decade, it's going to take awhile for it to chill and finally realize there's no more yo-yo crap or fake food coming its way.
                      (And linking to another related thread http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread79783.html (Tribal Rob the black hole), I've noticed in the past that I have a habit of eating like a ravenous horse this time of year, but scale WAY back during the warmer months. I'm glad I'm not the only one!)

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                      • I think that we need way less fat during the warm months. That's why my feet got soft when I ate more fat, but they are always soft in the summer.

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                        • So I have had a really hard time pulling out of a holiday binge - I guess, I hate to say I know what's really going on - and my eating has been almost out of control for the last 6 weeks. My 1/2 lb/week weight loss budget was right around 1500 cal/day. I have been eating at maintenance for 131lbs most weeks and for 2.5 of them at what should cause 1lb/week gain. And yet, I have hovered between 131 and 133 lbs the whole time. I actually started at 132 lbs and am at 131 right now. I was losing slowly enough prior to this (on 1400 cal/day) that I was worried I'd hit a plateau. There have been a few days in there where I was at 2500 cal, with 1000 of them from alcohol, lol. I am completely free with primal carbs and my high days have hit as high as 250g!

                          I'm not sure what to make of this. I had been overweight for 25 years and eating crap, so I have no idea what my metabolism is really like. I'm starting to think though that processed food is *way* worse than alcohol or primal carbs and that BMR calculations are much too conservative when you're eating whole foods. I'm not sure how else to explain the fact that an increase of several hundred calories a day has had no impact on my weight.
                          50yo, 5'3"
                          SW-195
                          CW-125, part calorie counting, part transition to primal
                          GW- Goals are no longer weight-related

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                          • How timely - several of them struck a chord for me.

                            9 Reasons You're Not Losing Weight | Mark&#039;s Daily Apple
                            65lbs gone and counting!!

                            Fat 2 Fit - One Woman's Journey

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                            • Originally posted by PaleoMom View Post
                              She does look good in that picture. I had watched some videos that looked quite different, not that there is anything wrong with those either, just not what I'm wanting for myself is all.

                              I really miss the feeling of clothes feeling so easy and comfortable to wear. Bending over didn't cause waistbands to start digging in and shirts either fit or they didn't. There weren't ones that were flattering and others that shouldn't be worn in public. I miss sitting in chairs with my feet up and my knees under my chin, now that just pushes my stomach in so much I feel like I can't breathe comfortably!

                              I do hope you find out what is happening with your water retention. Have you messed around with changing salt intakes up and down? Sorry if that is way too obvious.
                              Yes, yes, yes! I know exactly how you feel. Clothes are my enemy lately. Getting dressed to go to work is usually the worst part of my day. I can't wait to get home and put on something flowy and comfortable. I currently have drawers and a closet full of clothes that no longer fit.

                              Salt is obvious, but that's ok. Over the last year and a half that I've been dealing with this and it's been getting worse, I have tried just about everything, obvious or not. I'm currently working with a (pretty crappy, unfortunately) integrative medical doc. and am going to give low dose naltrexone a try. Intuitively it feels like the water retention is due to massive inflammation, which LDN is supposed to help with. Hopefully one day I will get this figured out and won't need to keep buying larger and larger clothes! I'm up 3 sizes at this point.

                              I agree about Molly's pics - she does look quite a bit larger in some of them.

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                              • Originally posted by sbhikes View Post
                                I love her website, I really like her workouts and her attitude about food and exercise!

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