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  • I haven't been around for awhile, and via browsing last night came across this thread, and this link you posted - FASCINATING reading to say the least. I have NEVER been able to eat such low calories as CW recommends for me to lose fat.... I seem to have a broken "stop eating" signal, which I attribute to years of yo-yo dieting in my 20s... the starve/binge cycle he talks about in many of those articles you linked thru.

    Is this what you are trying? Eating a much higher number of calories? My BMR for my desired weight at light activity level would be 2250/day + (and at my current weight around 2550)

    Also I'm nursing a 3 year old twice/day and under a lot of stress... I can easily eat that much though, and days that I feel I overate, then I try not to eat all day and it's turning into the same cycle... I don't want to be modelling this to my daughter, so I've got to figure out a way to heal my relationship with food - my body - and my mind...

    Following with great curiousity!

    The past week I've been experimenting with the whole bulletproof coffee intermittent fast thing, nothing but coffee with lots of butter and/or coconut oil until 1 or 2pm then eating as desired until around 8pm. I felt pretty darn good doing it this past week, it's a LOT LOT of fat and calories, definitely I ate more than 2500 per day, carbs low though and lost a bit inch wise...

    I'm going to continue this week again, but am certainly ready to try doing things differently. I can't be ravenous and thinking about food constantly if I am going to live successfully, raise a child to be healthy and strong as a single parent etc!!!
    Last edited by aerie; 03-03-2013, 05:00 PM.

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    • sbhikes,
      So are you feeling like you are eating a surplus already and therefore have been unknowingly following this way and it's not working for you? How to do feel about the quantity? When you finish eating is it because that feels like enough and you don''t NEED more, or feeling slightly full, or that was so much food and I can't take another bite?
      PaleoMom's Diet Recovery Journal
      http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread82059.html

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      • Originally posted by aerie View Post
        I haven't been around for awhile, and via browsing last night came across this thread, and this link you posted - FASCINATING reading to say the least. I have NEVER been able to eat such low calories as CW recommends for me to lose fat.... I seem to have a broken "stop eating" signal, which I attribute to years of yo-yo dieting in my 20s... the starve/binge cycle he talks about in many of those articles you linked thru.

        Is this what you are trying? Eating a much higher number of calories? My BMR for my desired weight at light activity level would be 2250/day + (and at my current weight around 2550)

        Also I'm nursing a 3 year old twice/day and under a lot of stress... I can easily eat that much though, and days that I feel I overate, then I try not to eat all day and it's turning into the same cycle... I don't want to be modelling this to my daughter, so I've got to figure out a way to heal my relationship with food - my body - and my mind...

        Following with great curiousity!

        The past week I've been experimenting with the whole bulletproof coffee intermittent fast thing, nothing but coffee with lots of butter and/or coconut oil until 1 or 2pm then eating as desired until around 8pm. I felt pretty darn good doing it this past week, it's a LOT LOT of fat and calories, definitely I ate more than 2500 per day, carbs low though and lost a bit inch wise...

        I'm going to continue this week again, but am certainly ready to try doing things differently. I can't be ravenous and thinking about food constantly if I am going to live successfully, raise a child to be healthy and strong as a single parent etc!!!
        Yes, that is what I'm doing. I'm absolutely busting at the seams. Once my temperature is up I will cut back to just eating as much as I want without the stuffing part.

        Keep us/me posted on your progress. I think it is great you are doing this, especially when nursing. Your body gives so much during pregnancy and nursing.

        This is all so liberating for our relationships with food, mental and emotional stress of trying to improve our bodies. It opens up room for more important things to focus on. It is certainly a wonderful thing to be able to raise our children with this knowledge and model healthy eating both in what we eat but also how.
        PaleoMom's Diet Recovery Journal
        http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread82059.html

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        • I just found this site: Metabolism Reset Archives | Eat More 2 Weigh LessEat More 2 Weigh Less

          Looks awesome.... off to explore...
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          • This is some interesting stuff. I totally want to eat 4,000 cals a day and "reset" myself, but scared to (I've already put back on all the weight I lost). I can easily put away 1000 cals at breakfast and be ready for lunch pretty soon after. Breastfeeding doesn't help either. I'm still hungry after eating 2,000-2,400 cals in a day!
            Watching this thread and reading Eat More 2 Weigh Less | Take your life back, one meal at a timeEat More 2 Weigh Less | Take your life back, one meal at a time
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            • Great site you two, thanks!
              65lbs gone and counting!!

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              • Originally posted by eKatherine View Post
                There is an aversive therapy where the therapist would assign a client who felt that certain foods were problematic the task of only consuming those foods, and consuming them to an excess. Being not only permitted to consume only wine and chocolate but required to would result in your getting sick of those very quickly.

                I'm not suggesting that this is necessarily appropriate, or that you do it. But it is an interesting concept.
                There is a local author who's name I can't recall, who has written many books. Back in the 90's in one book she recommended that if M&M's were a problem, to fill a pillowcase and eat freely until the huge craving would go away. Me? I'm a hardcore sugar junkie. I would have eaten them, then filled it over and over. I denied myself all sugar for many years. Now eating primally I am able to eat my fill of 72%+ organic chocolate. It's never very much as I am so much more easily satisfied. I am still staying away from primal "dessert" type treats as I have another 5-10 pounds of fat to shed. Treats and shedding fat don't appear to go together for me personally.

                I love reading this thread and am trying to mentally allow myself to shift my calorie range from 1000-1200 to 1200-1500. It's tough after 55 years of CW and low carb dieting where I though calories should be 1000 or less.

                Thank you all for sharing your experiences!

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                • Originally posted by PaleoMom View Post
                  sbhikes,
                  So are you feeling like you are eating a surplus already and therefore have been unknowingly following this way and it's not working for you? How to do feel about the quantity? When you finish eating is it because that feels like enough and you don''t NEED more, or feeling slightly full, or that was so much food and I can't take another bite?
                  I eat this way because I want to make progress lifting weights. The only thing not working is that I know better that I shouldn't eat so much chocolate, vegan desserts and wine and that maybe I wouldn't be so fat if I just stuck purely with meat, veggies and potatoes in unlimited quantity.

                  I have gained a lot of muscle, and maybe a little fat since starting to lift weights. My waist is about the same as before lifting but my legs and shoulders are bigger and my spine is now deeply embedded in my back with these big meaty muscles on the sides of my spine. It surprised me to feel that the other day. My boyfriend was rubbing my back and he noticed it with me not saying anything.

                  How I feel about the quantity? I feel fine. Not stuffed at all. I often wish there was more to eat. But when lunch or dinner rolls around sometimes I think to myself ugh, no more meat okay? Then I start to get hungry and I don't care how much meat it is I'll eat it and more if I can.

                  I'm going to try to not consume so much naughty stuff this week and see what happens. I hurt myself lifting weights last week so I can't go as heavy. But I can do lots of volume.
                  Female, 5'3", 50, Max squat: 202.5lbs. Max deadlift: 225 x 3.

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                  • Originally posted by sbhikes View Post
                    The only thing not working is that I know better that I shouldn't eat so much chocolate, vegan desserts and wine and that maybe I wouldn't be so fat if I just stuck purely with meat, veggies and potatoes in unlimited quantity.
                    Ditto, too much wine and chocolate for me as well.

                    On the whole heavy lifting thing - do you guys think I can achieve the same results with the bodyweight stuff like pull ups and squats and stuff at home, or do I have to join a gym and start the dead lifts and all that? Maybe I could do it at the Y at lunch...

                    I love this thread. Makes me feel like I'm not the only one with this constant struggle to accept how I look, yet want to get off the vanity pounds, and not want to religiously monitor every morsel that goes in my mouth yet not eat too much and not too little. It's crazy making!
                    Breathe. Move forward.

                    I just eat what I want...

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                    • Busting Bodyweight Exercise Myths
                      Female, 5'3", 50, Max squat: 202.5lbs. Max deadlift: 225 x 3.

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                      • Originally posted by sbhikes View Post
                        I eat this way because I want to make progress lifting weights. The only thing not working is that I know better that I shouldn't eat so much chocolate, vegan desserts and wine and that maybe I wouldn't be so fat if I just stuck purely with meat, veggies and potatoes in unlimited quantity.

                        I have gained a lot of muscle, and maybe a little fat since starting to lift weights. My waist is about the same as before lifting but my legs and shoulders are bigger and my spine is now deeply embedded in my back with these big meaty muscles on the sides of my spine. It surprised me to feel that the other day. My boyfriend was rubbing my back and he noticed it with me not saying anything.

                        How I feel about the quantity? I feel fine. Not stuffed at all. I often wish there was more to eat. But when lunch or dinner rolls around sometimes I think to myself ugh, no more meat okay? Then I start to get hungry and I don't care how much meat it is I'll eat it and more if I can.

                        I'm going to try to not consume so much naughty stuff this week and see what happens. I hurt myself lifting weights last week so I can't go as heavy. But I can do lots of volume.
                        I'd be curious to see what would happen for you if you ate more and every so often logged your foods in somewhere to see if you were making at least 100% of everything. The more I read, especially on Billy Craig's site and Matt Stone's work, the more I'm getting the sense that perhaps this is even more inverted than simply needing to meet our nutrient needs before weight loss can happen, but rather it might be true that the more we eat the lower the body fat will go. This of course needs to be with food that can nourish us, but I'm very curious if there is a point where once we have reached a certain nutritional amount that it might not matter what the food eaten on top of that is made of. I would still stay away from omega 6 as that could still mess up our ratios.

                        If this works for me and I achieve the fat loss I"m looking for, I'm going to then experiment with eating the same as what I had been eating and then adding on additional food as much as I can of homemade treats and see what happens.

                        I like the eat more 2 weigh less site except they are still just using the extra calories to stimulate the metabolism so that later they can go back to a deficit (small one, though) to lose weight. From what I can see no one over there has tried staying at the higher calories to see if the weight would still come off.
                        PaleoMom's Diet Recovery Journal
                        http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread82059.html

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                        • Thanks SB. That was a great link.
                          Breathe. Move forward.

                          I just eat what I want...

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                          • Originally posted by PaleoMom View Post
                            I like the eat more 2 weigh less site except they are still just using the extra calories to stimulate the metabolism so that later they can go back to a deficit (small one, though) to lose weight. From what I can see no one over there has tried staying at the higher calories to see if the weight would still come off.
                            I don't remember for sure, but seems like someone ate 2000 or 2600 or something, and dropped down to a size 2 or 4 or something. I can't remember now.
                            65lbs gone and counting!!

                            Fat 2 Fit - One Woman's Journey

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                            • Originally posted by gopintos View Post
                              I don't remember for sure, but seems like someone ate 2000 or 2600 or something, and dropped down to a size 2 or 4 or something. I can't remember now.
                              Yes, but she also exercised a ton, that wasn't so much a surplus as just enough to meet her needs.
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                              • I have been the same height and weight since I was 15, so 15 years. Occasionally I was a few lbs more, but as soon as I got sick, or stressed it came right off and would not come back. Most of my life, I weight around 46kg (102lbs?) and I am 165cm/ 5'5". That seems to be the magic number that I can't escape. I have been bullied to the point of madness. I still get remarks. Especially in Germany people are very eager to "tell you their opinion" about such things.
                                I've dreamt about being like you my whole life. I still cry every time I let my mind wonder down the avenue of: "If only I could..." Oh, well. Have you ever tried GOMAD? It is extreme but supposed to pack on pounds on the hard gainers.
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