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  • How can one maintain a good and active metabolism even after years. I heard once a person turns older it slows down.

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    • Originally posted by Jorjor View Post
      I'm this way and I've always found it frustrating. I'm 18, am 5'9 and weigh only 120 pounds even though I eat just as much as anyone else. Obviously if I give it another 20 years I'll be saying this opposite but at the moment it's seriously bugging the heck out of me...
      Just curious, how many calories do you think you normally eat? Just wanting to collect data...

      At only 18 though you might find the next 5 years might continue to fill you out. I was early that way, but I remember many girls that didn't really fill in all the way until mid-late college.
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      • Originally posted by andycotterQ View Post
        How can one maintain a good and active metabolism even after years. I heard once a person turns older it slows down.
        I have always assumed this had a lot to due with loss of muscle with age. Keep up the weight training and this might not happen?
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        • I've always heard that also, but no one agrees on how much. I've read everything from two percent post menopause to 10%. Building muscle almost has to help as muscle is more metabolically active than organs, bones, and fat. Here: How Many Calories Does Muscle Really Burn? (and Why It’s Not About Calories Anyway) | Mark's Daily Apple Mark states:

          a pound of muscle, at rest, burns about six calories per day (and a pound of fat burns about two). -
          So while the article is really about showing that being a musclehead doesn't mean you can eat a gazillion calories a day, and that being strong/lean helps other health issues, that sentence/fragment alone shows that it's better to be muscular than flabby if you're not going to eat less in general.

          But another thing to consider is that middle age just isn't naturally as active as youth. Hopefully by middle age we've decent jobs (and maybe we're getting ready to retire), we've got our homes, family, etc. Compared to the hectic life of say a college student, who goes to classes, works a job that may require her/him to be on one's feet the whole shift, studies, and parties, I'm guessing a lot of middle age weight gain is from life slowing down a bit.
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          • To the people that eat a lot, and stay relatively low carb (the +/- 100 gram type, not ketosis), what are you eating and do you track it?

            I did an experiment yesterday and ate "a lot". I ended up around 1700 calories and can't imagine a primal way to easily get up to 2200 calories. I can imagine a high carb way.
            Breakfast was 3 eggs, bacon, asparagus, coffee with full fat coconut milk
            lunch was a banana, blueberries, roast beef ( lot of it)
            dinner was a steak, cauliflower in coconut oil, and a salad with dressing and avocado.

            I thought FOR CERTAIN I was going to be over 2000 calories.

            I just wonder if big primal eaters overestimate calories? And if not, how do you afford it?

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            • Originally posted by magnolia1973 View Post
              To the people that eat a lot, and stay relatively low carb (the +/- 100 gram type, not ketosis), what are you eating and do you track it?

              I did an experiment yesterday and ate "a lot". I ended up around 1700 calories and can't imagine a primal way to easily get up to 2200 calories. I can imagine a high carb way.

              This was my trouble and why I ate so low for so long, when I was HFLC. I just wasn't hungry. Now I have shifted macros to about a 3 way split, but still eating under BMR. This is probably why/where the refeeds come in and are SO important, (which I missed that part before) and maybe where the 20% can be beneficial. We went out for breakfast yesterday, which I hardly ever do anymore. So I had pancakes. Sorry, that is the one thing I really miss. And I thought that would make me hungry again, starving even, in a few hours. Ya know, start out your day eating like Prey and end up grazing all day. But it didnt and I ate right the rest of the day, and still came in at 1640.
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              • Originally posted by RichMahogany View Post
                It doesn't at all sound like how we get fat to me. It sounds like how we're told we get fat, but it doesn't sound at all like the way I've observed it to actually happen.

                Edited to add awesome link: http://www.caloriegate.com/i-want-to...ies-dont-count
                Great piece! Thanks so much. I'm going to post it all over every single silly "I'm doing a radical eat less/move more" diet board argument.

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                • Although, one obvious question that article doesn't answer is: if you eat too many calories, won't you gain weight?

                  This is listed in the "questions raised by Taubes' hypothesis" section but it does the piece a disservice to leave it unaddressed. I in general find the piece compelling but something I was taught about reporting is: never raise a question you don't answer. And that's a pretty big one.

                  And I have been familiar with this line of thinking for years. I read Scwartzbein Principle, Nourishing Traditions and Mary Enig's Know Your Fats fifteen years ago--all of which advocate eating more fat and less garbage.

                  Still, I know that in my past I gained weight when I went from living alone and making all of my food--mostly nutritious--to living with my boyfriend at the time and eating a lot more food. I was a size four, then 6 then a size 8, 10. Maybe somewhere around there my fat started acting to accumulate fat (and I was taking antidepressants) but surely in the beginning eating more chicken pot pie was one of the culprits.

                  There has to be some truth to the idea that eating more calories does indeed cause the initial weight gain. After that then, yes, the accumulated fat can act. But yet overrating in itself (without any black box mystery) does also cause some weight gain. No?
                  Last edited by Beets; 03-03-2013, 08:13 AM.

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                  • I'm still trying to understand the Black Box. While the article appears to be excellent, I'm still confused.

                    The only way that I can gt my fat up is putting HWC in my coffee and tea. Even with that, while eating low carb, my calorie max is around 1400-1500.

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                    • I also wonder how to get calories that high on primal. I struggle to get mine to 1600 eating all healthful stuff. Unless I'm just eating tablespoons of coconut oil or butter plain to up the cal count.

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                      • Originally posted by Beets View Post
                        Although, one obvious question that article doesn't answer is: if you eat too many calories, won't you gain weight?

                        This is listed in the "questions raised by Taubes' hypothesis" section but it does the piece a disservice to leave it unaddressed. I in general find the piece compelling but something I was taught about reporting is: never raise a question you don't answer. And that's a pretty big one.
                        Here is my interpretation. I presume you are rephrasing the first question on the list, which is actually:
                        “If I eat ‘too many’ calories, don’t they still have to go somewhere? If they don’t go into my fat, where do they go?”
                        I would say that first there is a big presupposition built into that question, that "eating too many calories" is an independent act entirely unconnected with any bodily process. It presumes that the dieter made a conscious decision to eat those calories, rather than consuming them as a response to triggers sent out from the black box as a result of biochemical processes that we are not aware are happening on a continual basis. The article suggests that we overeat and stay fat because we are fat, because our fat cells demand to be maintained and even increased as a result of hormones that affect our appetite.

                        This is the opposite of the common assumption that we get fat from consuming excess calories and stay fat as a result of continuing to consume excess calories. And if those fat people would just stop consuming excess calories, dammit, they'd easily drop off those pounds!

                        So the question here comes down to which is the natural process.

                        But another issue that is not mentioned here is that while many thin people who overeat will not be hungry again until they have burned up the excess calories per usual, others actually become hyperthermic when they overeat and burn off excess calories like that. And in the process they may get restless and do something that burns off even more calories, even something as simple as going for a walk after dinner.
                        Last edited by eKatherine; 03-03-2013, 09:27 AM.

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                        • Originally posted by magnolia1973 View Post
                          To the people that eat a lot, and stay relatively low carb (the +/- 100 gram type, not ketosis), what are you eating and do you track it?

                          I did an experiment yesterday and ate "a lot". I ended up around 1700 calories and can't imagine a primal way to easily get up to 2200 calories. I can imagine a high carb way.
                          Breakfast was 3 eggs, bacon, asparagus, coffee with full fat coconut milk
                          lunch was a banana, blueberries, roast beef ( lot of it)
                          dinner was a steak, cauliflower in coconut oil, and a salad with dressing and avocado.

                          I thought FOR CERTAIN I was going to be over 2000 calories.

                          I just wonder if big primal eaters overestimate calories? And if not, how do you afford it?
                          Maybe I will try tracking myself. I've been told that it's really very common for women to overestimate the calories they take in. I've even had someone tell me that if I thought I had eaten close to 3000 calories in a day I'd be wrong because in all their time as a nutritional consultant they'd never seen a woman who did that without a lot of coaching.

                          Anyway, what I have been eating lately:
                          Breakfast
                          1 large boneless skinless chicken breast or if I'm not as hungry, half
                          1 sweet or white potato

                          Lunch
                          Another serving of meat (either the other half of the breast or a can of salmon or I'll buy some Asian buffet teriyaki chicken.)
                          A serving of mixed vegetables from the Asian buffet or another potato

                          Dinner
                          Another serving of meat or fish
                          More vegetables and/or potatoes

                          Bad naughty stuff that keeps me fat:
                          Chocolate (damn Valentine's day, damn my personal weakness)
                          Wine (damn those convenient boxes)
                          Cheese (I'm eating much less of this these days, thankfully)

                          Snacks that may or may not contribute to my fatness:
                          Desserts made of nuts, dates, seeds and coconut
                          Bananas

                          I think that if I would just quit with the chocolate and wine I would probably lose weight even if I ate more meat, vegetables and potatoes. I assume this is a generous amount of calories because it's well over the "meat as a condiment" or "meat the size of your palm" portion, plus it's a generous portion of meat 3x a day, something I've never done before. There's no added fat though, so perhaps the calories aren't that high (in the real food anyway). It's a lot of volume, though. I have to stress that these mutant chicken breasts I buy are enormous. Cheap, too, which is how I can afford it. The top sirloin I buy sometimes is really cheap, too. Not grass-fed or pastured. I save the good stuff for dinner.
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                          • It might be the potatoes...

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                            • Originally posted by sbhikes View Post
                              I think that if I would just quit with the chocolate and wine I would probably lose weight even if I ate more meat, vegetables and potatoes.
                              There is an aversive therapy where the therapist would assign a client who felt that certain foods were problematic the task of only consuming those foods, and consuming them to an excess. Being not only permitted to consume only wine and chocolate but required to would result in your getting sick of those very quickly.

                              I'm not suggesting that this is necessarily appropriate, or that you do it. But it is an interesting concept.

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                              • Originally posted by magnolia1973 View Post
                                To the people that eat a lot, and stay relatively low carb (the +/- 100 gram type, not ketosis), what are you eating and do you track it?

                                I did an experiment yesterday and ate "a lot". I ended up around 1700 calories and can't imagine a primal way to easily get up to 2200 calories. I can imagine a high carb way.
                                Breakfast was 3 eggs, bacon, asparagus, coffee with full fat coconut milk
                                lunch was a banana, blueberries, roast beef ( lot of it)
                                dinner was a steak, cauliflower in coconut oil, and a salad with dressing and avocado.

                                I thought FOR CERTAIN I was going to be over 2000 calories.

                                I just wonder if big primal eaters overestimate calories? And if not, how do you afford it?
                                Since starting this I have been getting in 2900-3400 calories a day of primal food. It has required eating to the point of "I CAN'T eat any more" and as soon as there is a bit of room in there I top off the tank. It is uncomfortable for sure but I feel like it is what I need. The interesting thing is how I am finding myself getting hungrier and hungrier and wanting to eat more even when I feel so full I could burst. I have read about those recovering from eating disorders have this sort of excessive hunger when the body starts to get the message that you are going to feed it.

                                UPDATE ON PROGRESS:
                                My body temp was 98.3 digital/oral which is up from 97.6. My weight has gone up everyday from about 134 to 140.6 yesterday. Today though it went down .2 lbs. I also don't seem fatter in any way. My body feels firmer, like the fat is less inflamed and sort of taught and my stomach is bigger from bloating and massive amounts of food in my digestive tract, but when I pinch the fat at my navel it is the same or very close to how it has always been.

                                Yesterday, I was massively tired and spent the day resting as much as I could. I find it interesting that my first day of not gaining almost a pound and even losing a bit was right after that tired day. Perhaps a turning point? I have not had the energy to continue my weight training since doing this, I just want to listen to my body and let it rest and rebuild as much as it wants. Also, the bloating and stomach girth I mentioned in the above paragraph has mostly gone away today.
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