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  • #31
    And it's not like Primal doesn't allow some cheats (20%). For many folks, that makes things feel less restrictive at first. Of course, the longer you're Primal the less you really want the cheats.

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    • #32
      My coworker insists that, for any dish like pizza or pasta, that the bread or noodles are the best part. It just boggles my mind. Meatza 4 life.

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      • #33
        SAD prohibits you from eating fat.
        Primal prohibits you from eating sugar (ultimately it's all blood sugar).

        You're just switching your limits from one food group to another.
        So how is Primal any more limited than SAD?
        5'0" female, 45 years old. Started Primal October 31, 2011, at a skinny fat 111.5 lbs. Low weight: 99.5 lb on a fast. Gained back to 115(!) on SAD chocolate, potato chips, and stress. Currently 111.

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        • #34
          Bacon is never boring. Ever. Period.

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          • #35
            I keep a primal foods gallery on my phone. I've had people present the same "there's nothing to eat" argument, so I just pull out my phone and slide through literally 50 different pictures of meals I've cooked. Tends to stop that issue in its tracks.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by oxide View Post
              SAD prohibits you from eating fat.
              Actually, while CW has declared fat off limits, SAD is loaded with hidden fats and oils.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by eKatherine View Post
                Actually, while CW has declared fat off limits, SAD is loaded with hidden fats and oils.
                This. I think I read the other day that the average American consumes 11% of their daily caloric intake from fast food. There's no way that's low fat. The Standard American Diet is high fat. Conventional Wisdom recommends low fat.
                High Weight: 225
                Weight at start of Primal: 189
                Current Weight: 174
                Goal Weight: 130

                Primal Start Date: 11/26/2012

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by darienx19 View Post
                  I keep a primal foods gallery on my phone. I've had people present the same "there's nothing to eat" argument, so I just pull out my phone and slide through literally 50 different pictures of meals I've cooked. Tends to stop that issue in its tracks.
                  Hey, that's a pretty good idea. Not only to show the naysayers but to remind yourself when you're thinking there's nothing to eat.

                  Originally posted by eKatherine View Post
                  Actually, while CW has declared fat off limits, SAD is loaded with hidden fats and oils.
                  That's what I never quite understood. CW is supposed to be so healthy but a) hardly anybody ever actually follows what CW says and in fact, Primal people come closest, especially those of us who don't eat tons of fat and b) anybody I know who makes half a stab at following CW and refraining from red meat and fat always ends up on the couch with a big bowl of pistachios or a big bag of corn chips (Yes, I have a particular someone in mind) or a giant lemon poppyseed scone.
                  Female, 5'3", 50, Max squat: 202.5lbs. Max deadlift: 225 x 3.

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                  • #39
                    Most people eat 10 different plants and 5 different meats: tomato, lettuce, onion, potato, banana, apple, grapes, strawberries, oranges, garlic, beef, pork, chicken, turkey and "fish". They find it hard to imagine a diet where you only eat "meat, veg, nuts and fruit, with some eggs and dairy", as they don't understand how much variety the world holds.
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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by Kochin View Post
                      Most people eat 10 different plants and 5 different meats: tomato, lettuce, onion, potato, banana, apple, grapes, strawberries, oranges, garlic, beef, pork, chicken, turkey and "fish". They find it hard to imagine a diet where you only eat "meat, veg, nuts and fruit, with some eggs and dairy", as they don't understand how much variety the world holds.
                      Great post. My primal dinner/PWO meal tonight was 3 organic chicken thighs, oven roasted in red palm oil and garam masala, swiss chard 2 ways (stalks roasted with the chicken, greens pan crisped in bacon far) and acorn squash with cinnamon and grass fed butter. Anyone who finds that blandvor boring is out of his mind. Chocotaco's food porn thread is full of more exciting dishes yet if that example isn't a sufficient disproof of the 'primal is boring' hypothesis. Apologies for the typos, I'm on my phone.
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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by eKatherine View Post
                        Actually, while CW has declared fat off limits, SAD is loaded with hidden fats and oils.
                        True. Many low fat foods are high in fat. If you weren't somewhat knowledgeable about nutrition didn't know what you were really looking for when looking for low fat foods you can fail pretty bad. I was looking at some 95% fat free yogurt the other day, which is the exact same fat content of regular greek yogurt with about half it's calories coming from fat.



                        All the people that I know that say they follow a low fat diet have a pretty terrible attempt at it. "Light" spreads which are still about as high fat as butter. Low-fat yogurt that just about as much fat as the real things, salads with "light" dressings and cheese and low-fat mayonnaise that still has over 70% of it's calories from fat. lol
                        Last edited by Forgotmylastusername; 02-25-2013, 07:05 PM.

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                        • #42
                          One of my favorite things about Primal is how it encourages you to try new food, even food that has been there in the supermarket the whole time. I had never even heard of grass-fed butter! Imagine that. I vaguely knew that coconut milk was used in Thai food, but I'd never bought any. Still haven't ventured into organ meats and bone broth, but I'm sure if I knew how to cook them properly they'd beat the pants off a bland chicken breast and steamed broccoli. It's a whole big world out there.

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by Drumroll View Post
                            So, I was having a discussion with someone who was actually totally on board with me on the tenants of paleo nutrition almost completely (minus a few minor points) so I thought to suggest that if they agreed so much, they should try it out for themselves and then got this exact reply.

                            "No thanks. By eliminating things like bad oils, soy, and grains you invariabley lead yourself into a pattern of min-maxing your nutrients which results invariabley in a repetitive and boring diet. I'd rather take the health consequences and be able to eat a wider range of dishes and not be forced into a small handful of very unsatisfying and limited choices."

                            So... Low-carb and high-carb primalites alike, how would YOU respond to an arguement like this, other than to invite them over for dinner which was summarily dismissed for the same reason as above?
                            The best way I woo chicks is by inviting them over for supper. What I eat every day is what other people eat to treat themselves.

                            Just look at an average Top Chef episode. 90% of the stuff they care about cooking with is meat and veggies. Every season when the bullshit ''healthy meal'' episode comes up the chefs bitch about having to give up the good stuff and try to cheat by sneaking butter in their meals.

                            In ''Jiro dreams of sushi'', the guys uses almost only rice and fish, yet people are willing to give their first born to eat at his place.

                            Also, don't argue with idiots.

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by Forgotmylastusername View Post
                              "Light" spreads which are still about as high fat as butter. Low-fat yogurt that just about as much fat as the real things, salads with "light" dressings and cheese and low-fat mayonnaise that still has over 70% of it's calories from fat. lol
                              In the US there are very strict rules about labeling something "reduced Fat" or "low fat." Reduced fat means must be 25% less fat than average, and Low-Fat yogurt has 30% fat calories total. When processers take out the fat, they made up for the mouth feel by adding a water/cornstrach mixture and stabilizers. Cheesemakers would use skim milk and a thickener instead of whole milk.

                              Getting rid of fat is pretty hard to do, so companies use the "light" label to trick people into thinking it's low fat. There are no restrictions on the words "light" or "natural." I've heard that "lighter" sometimes refers to the color. Or they would say "low in saturated fat" and make up for it with cheaper unsaturated canola oil.

                              Labeling requirements here: 9. Appendix A: Definitions of Nutrient Content Claims

                              Of course only a dedicated foodie with a lot of time on their hands (ie no kids) would look at every label like this.

                              However, if a low-fat diet was stealthily high in fat, then why aren't all these SADs feeling satiated on lower total calories? Why are they so hungry for carbs? Is it the wheat addiction, or maybe these funny fats don't cause satiety like animal fats do?
                              5'0" female, 45 years old. Started Primal October 31, 2011, at a skinny fat 111.5 lbs. Low weight: 99.5 lb on a fast. Gained back to 115(!) on SAD chocolate, potato chips, and stress. Currently 111.

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by Forgotmylastusername View Post
                                True. Many low fat foods are high in fat. If you weren't somewhat knowledgeable about nutrition didn't know what you were really looking for when looking for low fat foods you can fail pretty bad. I was looking at some 95% fat free yogurt the other day, which is the exact same fat content of regular greek yogurt with about half it's calories coming from fat.

                                All the people that I know that say they follow a low fat diet have a pretty terrible attempt at it. "Light" spreads which are still about as high fat as butter. Low-fat yogurt that just about as much fat as the real things, salads with "light" dressings and cheese and low-fat mayonnaise that still has over 70% of it's calories from fat. lol
                                I wasn't even considering these "reduced-fat" foods. I was thinking of snack junk foods like crackers, chips, and fast foods like fried foods. One serving of breaded fried anything is easy to rationalize as an indulgence that has been earned by a day of virtuous self-denial, and can soak up so much seed oil it completely blows any intended eating plan out of the water.

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