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  • #31
    Originally posted by RichMahogany View Post
    Tell me that next time I make weight for a 135-lb MMA fight by eating fatty steak, bacon, eggs, slices of butter, and cheese and cutting the yams and turnips and plantains out of my diet.
    How many days of your life have you been 50+ lbs overweight?

    Do you track calories?

    Do you weigh food?

    Do you follow regular cyclical eating patterns?

    You're fighting MMA and you're comparing yourself to a middle aged office worker?
    Don't put your trust in anyone on this forum, including me. You are the key to your own success.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by ChocoTaco369 View Post
      You're purposely skewing data.

      There is a HUGE difference between going from 250 lbs to 200 lbs and going from 200 lbs to 150 lbs. You can regularly consume sausage, bacon and added fat when you're very overweight because these foods are vastly superior to fast food and foods made of refined flours and sugars (which a person is undoubtedly eating to get very overweight). But to go from average weight to very lean with ab definition - that's a completely different story. If you're okay with being 15-20 lbs overweight, you don't have to give up these foods. If you want strong ab definition, you have to reduce your fat intake unless you're genetically gifted or extremely active.
      I didn't skew any DATA... there was none to skew.

      I simply said you should stop telling people that their own N=1 experiences don't work.

      If they have the experience that a thing works for their body you don't have the right to say "No that does not"
      That is about as pompous and arrogant as it gets.

      Also...
      What exactly is your obsession with sausage and bacon?
      FFS.

      If people do eat that stuff it's a personal choice... but not everyone does.
      Saying everyone who eats higher fat than you eats sausage and bacon all day is like saying every American smokes.
      Geezus.
      It's at least a little insulting.
      And you know it.
      “You have your way. I have my way. As for the right way, the correct way, and the only way, it does not exist.”
      ~Friedrich Nietzsche
      And that's why I'm here eating HFLC Primal/Paleo.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by cori93437 View Post
        You have said 1000 times over that it's CALORIES.

        So... Calories.
        If the portions are smaller that is an individual choice.
        I can still eat all the veggies I want pretty much because really, it would take about a truck load of romaine lettuce to make a drop in the bucket if I chose that route.
        Also... those smaller portions are more satisfying than a large portion of low fat meat IMO.
        YMMV.
        N=1
        All that jazz.

        Also... I never felt satisfied at all PERIOD when eating low fat, no matter how much food I consumed.
        When eating low fat food volume was simply irrelevant for me.
        Even with a full belly I was walking around wanting to pick at foods like I was hungry.
        That is not normal or healthy.
        Lack of fat in the diet was affecting how I responded in regard to satiety.
        Lack of nutrition and real food was affecting how you responded in regard to satiety. Very few people have tried the lower fat/higher carb approach using lean meats and quality starches. The people that rail against carbohydrate use bread, pasta, cake and sweets as examples of carbohydrate. I challenge anyone to get fat eating eye round, pork loin, skinless chicken breast, potatoes, squashes and fruit. It's exceedingly difficult.

        If you're going to track calories, it doesn't matter what you eat as long as your macros come out the same. We're talking about intuitive eating here, and it's a lot more likely a person will overeat sausage and bacon than top round london broil and chicken breast.
        Don't put your trust in anyone on this forum, including me. You are the key to your own success.

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        • #34
          The most satisfying food to me is meat, plain and simple. If I had to pick a single macro it would be protein although I don't find liquid protein shakes to keep me satisfied as long as real food does. I eat HFLC and I think fat does play a role in satiety but protein does a much better job at it IME. Meat, veggies, and some fat makes for the most satisfying meal for me.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by RichMahogany View Post
            This was my point. I want (and ultimately eat) more food despite not necessarily being properly "hungry" when I don't have my animal fats.
            Exactly.... and I'm not interested in being hungry like that.
            For me it tends to lead to "bad food choices" instead of more low calorie fat free salad. And that sucks.
            “You have your way. I have my way. As for the right way, the correct way, and the only way, it does not exist.”
            ~Friedrich Nietzsche
            And that's why I'm here eating HFLC Primal/Paleo.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by ChocoTaco369 View Post
              How many days of your life have you been 50+ lbs overweight?
              I was a bit skinny fat before starting BJJ (7 years ago) and eventually getting my dietary house in order (4-5 years ago). Definitely never 50+ lbs. overweight.

              Originally posted by ChocoTaco369 View Post
              Do you track calories?
              Never. Okay, occasionally I will for a single day so I can re-set my perception of how many I might be eating. Damn near never.

              Originally posted by ChocoTaco369 View Post
              Do you weigh food?
              I've weighed myself holding food while waiting for the Athletic Commission to show up with the official scale, to see if I'd make weight after eating it. But no, I don't.

              Originally posted by ChocoTaco369 View Post
              Do you follow regular cyclical eating patterns?
              When I'm preparing for an event that requires me to make weight? Sure. I eat once a day. One big, sloppy, butterey, baconey, steakey mess.

              Originally posted by ChocoTaco369 View Post
              You're fighting MMA and you're comparing yourself to a middle aged office worker?
              I bet I'm several years older than you and bet we walk around at similar body fat percentage when we're not intentionally trying to be super lean. Is my experience less relevant than yours?
              The Champagne of Beards

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              • #37
                Originally posted by ChocoTaco369 View Post
                Lack of nutrition and real food was affecting how you responded in regard to satiety. Very few people have tried the lower fat/higher carb approach using lean meats and quality starches. The people that rail against carbohydrate use bread, pasta, cake and sweets as examples of carbohydrate. I challenge anyone to get fat eating eye round, pork loin, skinless chicken breast, potatoes, squashes and fruit. It's exceedingly difficult.

                If you're going to track calories, it doesn't matter what you eat as long as your macros come out the same. We're talking about intuitive eating here, and it's a lot more likely a person will overeat sausage and bacon than top round london broil and chicken breast.
                No.
                Sorry.
                Wrong.

                I did it on all whole foods. Just like now on Primal. The only difference was that instead of ONLY white rice there was some white and wild/brown rice mix. Otherwise all whole vegetables, fruits, and very lean meats.

                NO breads, NO sweets. NO pasta. No nothing.

                No I did not get fat that way... but I did fail utterly at dieting that way... I was miserable.
                And I guarantee I'm a better cook than you. I've been cooking sine I was about 10... I have experience. I know herbs and spices.

                The problem was that I could eat and eat and eat and never be freaking satisfied.
                The low fat thing left me HUNGRY. No matter how full my stomach was, I was not satisfied. Or if I was "full" I'd be starving again just a few hours later... and it led to days where I would just completely fail and eat fatty shit and not care.



                Now that I can eat fat, I eat small portions but I'm happy with them, I'm not hungry for bigger or more, I feel satisfied with less food, and I don't always feel the need to be searching out that illusive "something".
                Go figure.
                “You have your way. I have my way. As for the right way, the correct way, and the only way, it does not exist.”
                ~Friedrich Nietzsche
                And that's why I'm here eating HFLC Primal/Paleo.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by cori93437 View Post
                  No.
                  Sorry.
                  Wrong.

                  I did it on all whole foods. Just like now on Primal. The only difference was that instead of ONLY white rice there was some white and wild/brown rice mix. Otherwise all whole vegetables, fruits, and very lean meats.

                  NO breads, NO sweets. NO pasta. No nothing.

                  No I did not get fat that way... but I did fail utterly at dieting that way... I was miserable.
                  And I guarantee I'm a better cook than you. I've been cooking sine I was about 10... I have experience. I know herbs and spices.

                  The problem was that I could eat and eat and eat and never be freaking satisfied.
                  The low fat thing left me HUNGRY. No matter how full my stomach was, I was not satisfied. Or if I was "full" I'd be starving again just a few hours later... and it led to days where I would just completely fail and eat fatty shit and not care.

                  Now that I can eat fat, I eat small portions but I'm happy with them, I'm not hungry for bigger or more, I feel satisfied with less food, and I don't always feel the need to be searching out that illusive "something".
                  Go figure.
                  Here is the problem: your entire argument is a straw man. The question posed by this thread isn't "What did you do to lose weight." The question posed is:

                  "What are the best appetite suppressors? What kinds of foods help me feel a lot fuller so I don't over eat?"

                  The answer to that question is the most satisfying food per calorie. Leaner meats are more satisfying per calorie than fattier meats. Chicken breast has greater satiety per calorie than chicken thigh. Eye round has greater satiety per calorie than rib eye. Pork loin has greater satiety per calorie than pork rib. Turkey bacon has greater satiety per calorie than pork bacon. Any time you remove fat for protein, you reduce caloric density while simultaneously increasing the satiety index of that food because protein is more satisfying than fat.

                  Whether or not you can sustain that is irrelevant. If you find the diet so boring and so restrictive you break down and wind up binging, that doesn't change the fact that chicken breast is more satisfying per calorie than pork sausage. Whether or not the lack of fat causes anxiety or depression and subsequent overeating doesn't change that protein is superior to fat in terms of satiety and fat loss. Whether or not your low fat dieting paired with low-nutrient starch causes vitamin malabsorption and therefore a downregulated metabolism leading to an unsustainable TDEE doesn't change any of this. That is the individual factor and it's your job to make the diet work for you. Your job as the individual is to find the most sustainable calorie deficit.

                  That being said, to answer the question posed by the OP, the best appetite suppressants are:

                  1.) Protein
                  2.) High water content foods
                  3.) Fiber
                  4.) "Hacks" such as plain black coffee and capsaicin are known to exhibit appetite suppressing effects and can be beneficial to keep hunger at bay while fasting.

                  And as always, stay very well hydrated. Hunger can often be confused with thirst.
                  Don't put your trust in anyone on this forum, including me. You are the key to your own success.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Annieh View Post
                    Eggs.
                    I'm going with this. 6 eggs cooked up in butter is just a bit over 500 calories, but very filling especially if you throw in some onion, green pepper, spinach, and garlic.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by Annieh View Post
                      Eggs.
                      +1 There's some magic going on in hard boiled eggs. I can be famished, and two measly hb eggs makes it all go away.
                      "Right is right, even if no one is doing it; wrong is wrong, even if everyone is doing it." - St. Augustine

                      B*tch-lite

                      Who says back fat is a bad thing? Maybe on a hairy guy at the beach, but not on a crab.

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                      • #41
                        Choco... I was responding directly to your supposition that "Lack of nutrition and real food was affecting how you responded in regard to satiety" and and that use of "bread, pasta, cake and sweets as examples of carbohydrate" was where I went wrong and caused my own troubles.

                        None of those things were true.

                        I ALSO restated that my N=1 is that consuming fat causes satiety for me...
                        And that eating all of those low fat foods did nothing for satiety.

                        I prefer coffee with cream in the morning.
                        Fatty meat with a side of vegetables or salad in the evening.

                        Plain and simple.
                        No VOLUME necessary.

                        Also part of my problem as stated very plainly earlier was you telling someone directly that their N=1 was wrong.
                        If LF works for you great.
                        But stop telling other people that LF must also work for them when they say it doesn't.
                        Or telling them that it didn't because they did it wrong.
                        HF satiety works for some people.
                        Last edited by cori93437; 02-21-2013, 04:09 PM.
                        “You have your way. I have my way. As for the right way, the correct way, and the only way, it does not exist.”
                        ~Friedrich Nietzsche
                        And that's why I'm here eating HFLC Primal/Paleo.

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by cori93437 View Post
                          . No VOLUME necessary.
                          Exactly. I think the whole physical feeling of fullness needs to be distinguished from actual satiety. I think we have been conditioned to believe that we need that "stuffed" feeling in order to feel satiated.

                          I am finding on a mostly animal products diet that I am enjoying the lack of volume involved. It is a mindset shift.

                          IMO a smaller volume of fatty protein>>a larger volume of dry chicken boobs and a pile of vegetation as far as true satiety that lasts.

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                          • #43
                            Exactly. I think the whole physical feeling of fullness needs to be distinguished from actual satiety. I think we have been conditioned to believe that we need that "stuffed" feeling in order to feel satiated.
                            I agree, and I even notice myself sometimes looking forward to veggies like broccoli or kale or whatever because part of me is like, "Yay, I can eat AS MUCH AS I WANT and be STUFFED." There's a binge-eating-switch that gets flipped in the brain somewhere along the line growing up eating SAD that's hard to turn off. Binging isn't healthy psychologically; even though the high volume of broccoli isn't making a caloric dent in my day, it's still exercising bad behavior.

                            "Filled up" and "sated" are different. A giant plate of chicken breast, broccoli, and potatoes would fill me up so much it would be difficult for me to finish it, but I know from experience that I would not feel sated, and would be looking for more food soon afterward. So, if the OP is asking about suppressing appetite, I don't think lean protein, fiber, and water are the answer. Or at least, they certainly aren't for me.

                            However, neither did I have success controlling my appetite when I was eating no-holds-barred Primal and not watching my calories. Eating as much as I wanted of steak, bacon, stuff like bulletproof coffee--fat, essentially--kept my appetite in check better than SAD, but I was still hungry a lot. And I couldn't lose weight. I've found that for me personally, reining in my calories is essential. I find it easier to rein in my calories when a higher percentage of those calories are from fat.

                            For me, the silver bullet in appetite suppression has been the oil shots, aka the shangri-la diet. I've been a bottomless pit of hunger since I was 12 years old, and suddenly... I'm not. But even when I'm slacking on the oil shots, I do notice that eating more fat helps a lot with appetite suppression.

                            I can't wrap my head around starches being more satiating than other foods. I nearly lost my damn mind with a mix of anxiety/hunger/rage, like a panicked hunger, for the three days I attempted the potato hack. I guess starch keeps other people full, but not me.

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by Paleobird View Post
                              Exactly. I think the whole physical feeling of fullness needs to be distinguished from actual satiety. I think we have been conditioned to believe that we need that "stuffed" feeling in order to feel satiated.
                              Yeah, this is spot on. We're defining "satiety" or "appetite suppression" in a couple different ways and so are apparently arguing when we (Choco included) really agree on just about all the relevant facts.

                              Originally posted by Paleobird View Post
                              I am finding on a mostly animal products diet that I am enjoying the lack of volume involved. It is a mindset shift.

                              IMO a smaller volume of fatty protein>>a larger volume of dry chicken boobs and a pile of vegetation as far as true satiety that lasts.
                              Couldn't agree more. There's a day or two where it feels like a slight paradigm shift, but once you're deconditioned to the need for the physical sensation of volume, and can "hear" the true satiety signals that come from being actually nourished, all the lemon and rosemary in the world don't make chicken = ribeye to me.

                              So the answer to the OP is you have to experiment and find what works for you. I know people who are pretty totally primal but don't feel good on my version, and I know I don't feel good on theirs.

                              Although the eggs suggestion is probably a good place to start. I don't know when I could stuff another bite in my face after eating 6 scrambled eggs.
                              The Champagne of Beards

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                              • #45
                                Coffee with cream also keeps me from being hungry for ages.
                                But def fats and protein.
                                I have done low fat higher carb, ie lean chicken and brown rice, and spinach, and 6 times a day of these type of meals, and I was ALWAYS hungry.
                                So yes fats keep me satisfied for AGES

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