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  • Neckhammer, Adrenalin is also a counter regulatory hormone to lower insulin levels, so it makes sense that they get elevated when going low carbs, and everybody that know the impact of adrenalin on our mental state should recognize some similarities to the state of ketosis, at least I do...
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    • Originally posted by Gorbag View Post
      Neckhammer, Adrenalin is also a counter regulatory hormone to lower insulin levels, so it makes sense that they get elevated when going low carbs
      Why? That logic appears backwards to me. Can you explain it? Wouldn't insulin levels already be low in a low-carb state?

      Originally posted by Gorbag View Post
      and everybody that know the impact of adrenalin on our mental state should recognize some similarities to the state of ketosis, at least I do...
      I feel calm and able to focus on a ketogenic diet. Are you describing a different experience? Because that's not what I imagine when you talk about "the impact of adrenalin on our mental state."

      Is it just possible that different people experience things like ketosis differently?
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      • Yes you can eat more volume in the form of carbs and lean protein but higher fat in smaller portions will make you full. If in doubt try a couple of days on the fat fast - eat 1000 calories per day with 90 percent coming from fat.
        Tried it, and it did not work. I tried it with coconut oil. Macadamia nuts. Every time I was over 1000 calories by 2 pm and starved out of my mind. Yeah, I have eaten 1/3 cup coconut oil... yes, I was that hungry. I ate 2 oz of macadamia nuts as my meal. Hungry.
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        • RichMahogany, your ignorant trolling doesn’t impress me much, and since I think that you are beyond the ability of learning something at all, I am now putting you on my ignore list, as the first of this forum, so feel yourself honored! So good luck with your life as a light featherweight MMA wannabe, and find some others to troll instead…
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          • [QUOTE=Gorbag]
            Originally posted by Gorbag
            Neckhammer, Adrenalin is also a counter regulatory hormone to lower insulin levels, so it makes sense that they get elevated when going low carbs
            Originally posted by RichMahogany View Post
            Why? That logic appears backwards to me. Can you explain it? Wouldn't insulin levels already be low in a low-carb state?
            Originally posted by Gorbag
            RichMahogany, your ignorant trolling doesn’t impress me much, and since I think that you are beyond the ability of learning something at all, I am now putting you on my ignore list, as the first of this forum, so feel yourself honored!
            Can somebody else provide insight? I was genuinely interested in the answer to my question.
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            • Originally posted by RichMahogany View Post

              Can somebody else provide insight? I was genuinely interested in the answer to my question.
              Y'know, like, because.
              Last edited by eKatherine; 02-25-2013, 11:07 AM.

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              • Originally posted by Gorbag View Post
                RichMahogany, your ignorant trolling doesn’t impress me much, and since I think that you are beyond the ability of learning something at all, I am now putting you on my ignore list, as the first of this forum, so feel yourself honored! So good luck with your life as a light featherweight MMA wannabe, and find some others to troll instead…
                RM made Gorbag cry and run away!

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                • Originally posted by Finnegans Wake View Post
                  RM made Gorbag cry and run away!

                  When faced with superior knowledge, things always end this way.
                  Superior knowledge??? You seem to be very funny today Finnegans Wake, what are you taking?

                  EDIT: And those people that don't think that very low carb diets will not elevate hormones such as adrenaline, noradrenaline etc, do not need to go very far; just type in "adrenaline" in the search engine on this cite and there will come up plenty of threads dealing with this. And if still not satisfied in search for "superior knowlegde", check out Lyle McDonald; "The ketonic diet" or search his cite as well...
                  Last edited by Gorbag; 02-25-2013, 11:54 AM.
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                  • Originally posted by RichMahogany View Post
                    Gorbag or BestBetter: What amount of adrenaline is actually necessary for the conversion of protein to glucose?
                    That's an excellent question, and unfortunately I'm pretty sure it's impossible to answer. The problem is that neurotransmitter systems are so complex, plus several are often simultaneously working.

                    So not only is it likely that the amount of adrenaline necessary can vary day to day, but even the sensitivity of the receptors can change (and if those receptors are constantly flooded with raised levels of neurotransmitters, they will eventually downregulate which doesn't change the amount of adrenaline circulating in the system, but will alter the effects of that adrenaline).

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                    • All I know is we (my fiancee and I) have upped our daily fat intake for the past couple of weeks. We have been eating paleo/primal since January 2nd. I have gone from 195lbs to 176lbs. Since upping the fat we both notice that we can go much longer without feeling hungry, and our portion sizes are considerably smaller.

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                      • Originally posted by BestBetter View Post
                        That's an excellent question, and unfortunately I'm pretty sure it's impossible to answer. The problem is that neurotransmitter systems are so complex, plus several are often simultaneously working.

                        So not only is it likely that the amount of adrenaline necessary can vary day to day, but even the sensitivity of the receptors can change (and if those receptors are constantly flooded with raised levels of neurotransmitters, they will eventually downregulate which doesn't change the amount of adrenaline circulating in the system, but will alter the effects of that adrenaline).
                        Thanks for the explanation. I've done quite a bit of googling on this since yesterday and I'm still not convinced that the amount of adrenaline required for the conversion of beta-hydroxybutyrate to pyruvate is problematic, especially once one becomes ketoadapted. But like everything metabolic, I am sure this varies greatly between individuals. I'd love to see some controlled studies, but I can't find any.
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                        • 8 ounces of kimchi can suppress the appetite for a couple of hours.

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                          • So far fighting off the stomach flu has done wonders for appetite suppressing. Ugh.

                            In reading through the thread, I do not see why it has to be either/or when it comes to eating foods that are low in fat or high in fat. Why not mix things up? Some days I am hungry for volume and will make a big ass salad with chicken and vegetables and happily consume it. Other times I am happy making higher fat foods like ground hamburger with some vegetables. It depends on the day and how I feel.

                            Just staying away from processed crap foods does wonders for my appetite. It's the mental thing knowing I am not going to be eating crap that helps me not feel starving. I've personally had my best success when I challenge myself to 30 days of not one single cheat. There is always something going on.. birthdays, going out to dinner, holidays, special occasions, etc that tempt me to eat crap. When I simply make no excuses I make the best progress and as a result don't think overmuch about food.
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