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    I was on a fitness related board on which we were discussing the issue of grain free and low carb. An RD responded that we absolutely need carbs. Reasoning: glucose is the only fuel red blood cells use and is the preferred food for the brain, Which can adapt to others, but it is unhealthy.

    Also whole grains contain antioxidants and b vitamins which cannot be found in other foods.

    Now I don't believe this but before I respond to those statements, I would like some science backup. So if you can point me in the direction of some studies or research I would appreciate it. And not Mark's work. With all due respect to his theories, he is not a scientist.

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    don't argue with people on boards about things you don't know about, and are not inclined to search for using GOOGLE. life's too short.

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    • #3
      Most primal foods contain some combination of antioxidants and B vitamins, usually in higher quantities than grain. Coffee, tea, vegetables, fruits, lots of other foods all have various antioxidants.

      From Wikipedia: Processed carbohydrates such as sugar and white flour tend to have lower B vitamin than their unprocessed counterparts. For this reason, it is required by law in the United States (and many other countries) that the B vitamins thiamine, riboflavin, niacin, and folic acid be added back to white flour after processing. This is sometimes called "Enriched Flour" on food labels. B vitamins are particularly concentrated in meat such as turkey and tuna, in liver and meat products.[21] Good sources for B vitamins include kombucha, whole grains, potatoes, bananas, lentils, chili peppers, tempeh, beans, nutritional yeast, brewer's yeast, and molasses.

      Not being toxic is another benefit of real food. I prefer my b vitamins and antioxidants to be non-toxic.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by jakey View Post
        don't argue with people on boards about things you don't know about, and are not inclined to search for using GOOGLE. life's too short.
        lol... +1 for the whole thing.

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        • #5
          You're not going to convince him so don't bother, especially if you're not really sure of why yourself.

          yay!

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          • #6
            Thanks jakey that was really helpful. Don't respond to threads in which you do not wish to help but would rather passively agrressively attact the poster.

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            • #7
              Wow such a supportive group. Thank you markbt. That was helpful.

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              • #8
                Sorry if it came across that way. You came across as ignorant and lazy in your OP. Which I imagine is why you got the response you did.

                Why are you seeking ammunition to have an arguement with people on the internets? As an added bonus, it's a fitness forum you are wanting to argue on, so carbs are even more applicable to people who are getting above average amounts of exercise than they are for the average bear.

                You don't need a whole lot of carbs for normal function. But there's also nothing unholy about carbs either.

                If I were you I would confine my arguements to being grain-free rather than low carb. Maybe this video will help you formulate your thoughts and arguements?

                Last edited by magicmerl; 02-20-2013, 02:35 PM.
                Disclaimer: I eat 'meat and vegetables' ala Primal, although I don't agree with the carb curve. I like Perfect Health Diet and WAPF Lactofermentation a lot.

                Griff's cholesterol primer
                5,000 Cal Fat <> 5,000 Cal Carbs
                Winterbike: What I eat every day is what other people eat to treat themselves.
                TQP: I find for me that nutrition is much more important than what I do in the gym.
                bloodorchid is always right

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                • #9
                  Thank you MagicMerl, that was a good discussion. You're a great help to this site.
                  "When the search for truth is confused with political advocacy, the pursuit of knowledge is reduced to the quest for power." - Alston Chase

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by ms sage View Post
                    I was on a fitness related board on which we were discussing the issue of grain free and low carb. An RD responded that we absolutely need carbs. Reasoning: glucose is the only fuel red blood cells use and is the preferred food for the brain, Which can adapt to others, but it is unhealthy.

                    Also whole grains contain antioxidants and b vitamins which cannot be found in other foods.

                    Now I don't believe this but before I respond to those statements, I would like some science backup. So if you can point me in the direction of some studies or research I would appreciate it. And not Mark's work. With all due respect to his theories, he is not a scientist.
                    Life's too short.

                    What are you going to gain in this discussion?

                    If you feel there is good reason to pursue this and ego is not a good reason, then bring something to the table to support your argument, show the people here what you have they will review it and may come up with even stronger data, you have to invest some time yourself and show you are keen to follow this up.

                    You've criticized people for not spoon feeding you, why don't you post some data instead?
                    Last edited by Omni; 02-20-2013, 03:41 PM.
                    "There are no short cuts to enlightenment, the journey is the destination, you have to walk this path alone"

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                    • #11
                      Just thought I would see about some insight from those who have followed this path longer than I. And I love to argue! But from now on I will get my lazy self to the google. MagicMerl that was good info thanks.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by ms sage View Post
                        Just thought I would see about some insight from those who have followed this path longer than I. And I love to argue! But from now on I will get my lazy self to the google. MagicMerl that was good info thanks.
                        Yeah, we probably came off kinda harsh. Either way you will get way more out of it and have a more defensible position if you dig in to the info on your own. I dunno why "Mark don't count" though. You really should use his posts as a jumping off point. Many of those hyperlinks in his posts are to the primary studies that his claims are based on.

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                        • #13
                          There are carbohydrates in fruits, vegetables, nuts, etc.

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                          • #14
                            I think many people make the mistake of looking for the knockout punch in these types of discussions you have started with the fitness forum guy, but in most cases it is a twelve rounder or more.
                            The same for " how can I make my parents/partner etc. understand", you are up against the CW machine which has been building it's defenses brainwashing the populace for decades and more, so the exercise becomes like a "cult deprogramming" treatment, you won't convince anyone of anything primal/paleo in one post, but if you are keen go there and treat it as an educational tool for yourself.

                            Since the question lies with carbs are essential read up on posts from Mark and others on Ketosis as this is living proof of 0-ultra low carb intake, as neckhammer said mark and other bloggers are great starting points, they will explain how it works and in most cases provide links to scientific studies.
                            You will also need to search out true essential glucose requirements, when it's all broken down I think it comes back to about 50g per day and the body can easily produce this via glycogenesis, as we burn triglycerides the three fatty tales come off and the glyceride head is basically half of a glucose, so fat metabolism naturally produces raw materials for glycogenesis, there is some protein break down for glucose, it is minor, but you should be aware of it so you are not blindsided.

                            As I understand it there is a minor glucose requirement in the brain and the red blood cells require it as they do not have mitochondria, so they survive on anaerobic metabolism and produce lactate from glucose, which is kind of ironic as they do carry oxygen. Irrelevant to this, but lactate is another interesting area, much misunderstood and not the bad guy as often portrayed, but quite essential, but that begins another story and so it goes.

                            Here is a post from Mark re "glucose requirements" as a starter, there are more with that search criteria:
                            https://www.marksdailyapple.com/how-...n-really-need/
                            "There are no short cuts to enlightenment, the journey is the destination, you have to walk this path alone"

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Omni View Post
                              As I understand it there is a minor glucose requirement in the brain and the red blood cells require it as they do not have mitochondria, so they survive on anaerobic metabolism and produce lactate from glucose, which is kind of ironic as they do carry oxygen
                              It was always explained to me that the fact that they have to carry oxygen is the reason they have to survive on anaerobic metabolism, or otherwise the oxygen would never make it to any of the other tissues that the RBC's are supposed to be trucking it around to. But my understanding is not sufficiently deep to know whether that's logical or whether your sense of irony is justified.
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