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  • #31
    I live in NZ so I always use that as justification that we have good dairy so I can eat it... But if I'm honest, too much lactose definitely does not agree with me, and casein can be tricky too.

    Another thing is that the prices are generally good here so it's quite a cheap source of protein.

    Currently, I am eating - cottage cheese, butter, parmesan cheese, whey protein powder.

    Other things I sometimes eat - Mozzarella cheese (it's delicious ok!), cream, greek authentic full fat yoghurt.

    I know I'm better off without it, but I enjoy it. And for now I will continue eating it.
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    • #32
      I don't really eat dairy as it makes me really snotty...haven't figured out quite why yet. I can handle small amounts of butter and goats/sheeps cheese but no more than that.

      The only thing I really miss is greek yoghurt - absolutely love the stuff. Every now and again I give in and buy some, but boy do I pay for it...snotty and bunged up for days. And the more time goes by the more I notice it.

      As someone who used to eat a tonne of dairy - yoghurt, cheese, milk - you name it, I can't believe that I probably always felt like that but I was so used to it I didn't notice. These days it's just not worth it - I'd rather be able to breathe, thanks :-)


      • #33
        Originally posted by YogaBare View Post
        I'm going to give it up for a month and I'm wondering - if you gave up dairy:

        - What was the reason?
        - What were the benefits (if any)?
        - Did you go through any withdrawal / detox symptoms?

        When I gave it up as a vegan I simultaneously gave up wheat and sugar so it's hard to know how it effected me.

        But the last few months my dairy consumption has been pretty excessive... its the bulk of my calories, and sometimes I'll eat it three times a day.! I feel great and have loads of energy, but lately I've noticed a few (not positive) physical changes - dark circles and more wrinkles under my eyes, more bloating than usual etc.

        I've read the bad press (used to be vegan... the irony) - particularly about it clogging the lymphatic system, but I was really craving it, so I figured my body must need it. Then I read that casein has an opiate effect... sigh.

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        I did something similar once. I eliminated all dairy for 30 days, then added back different categories every 3 days for a few weeks. Categories were something like 1. Raw, grass-fed, fermented dairy, 2. Pasteurized, grass-fed, fermented dairy, 3. Pasteurized, grass-fed, non-fermented dairy...

        You get the idea. I added back what I thought would be least problematic to most, gradually. I saw no difference at any point during the trial. Which was awesome, because I'm a big fan of my heavy cream, butter, and cheese.
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        • #34
          I'd add a good amount of cottage cheese with my salads for lunch. I was terribly uncomfortable for hours after eating. Decided to cut out dairy completely.

          Benefits? Absolutely. I don't feel like I am going to blow up for hours after consuming cheese and milk. Occasionally at restaurants I can't avoid some cheese added on dishes, very small amounts.

          Withdrawal? No. I know some people can't live without milk & yogurt. I guess I missed cottage and blue cheese but the benefits were too noticeable. I had ice cream "withdrawal" but I attribute that to the sugar.


          • #35
            Keep in mind that with dairy, most specifically milk, organic is EVERYTHING.

            The hormones and antibiotics that can exist in milk -- let alone blood and pus, up to a thimbleful per gallon, especially in choc. milk -- mess with your body bad.

            I switched to organic only milk a few years ago and most recently have found some filtered organic whole milk that not only does NOT make me break out or get bad PMS, but tastes better too.

            Quality is everything.


            • #36
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              • #37
                I tried a while ago because I read that dairy may relate to bad menstrual cramps (and mine are bad). I didn't notice much of a difference but I was still eating a little dairy - mostly hard cheddar.

                Recently I had a very similar realization to you - some days nearly half my calories were from cheese (its so easy and portable and tasty... and when I'm in non-Paleo homes they always have some cheese for me to eat). It is always all or nothing for me so I gave it up except for one little indulgence - TJ Cranberry Gorgonzola dressing - 2 tbsp per night. This month I was about 14 days into my no-cheese thing and my cramps were unbelievably light this month... I'm very curious to see if the same is true next month.

                The benefits for me: I eat more tasty and just plain more meat because I'm not "saving" 300 calories per meal for cheese, sour cream, cream cheese, etc. I used to always put cheese on my 5 oz burgers, now I have an 8 oz burger instead... things like that. I find that I'm actually more satiated from that - eating cheese often just begot more eating cheese

                At the end of the day you just gotta try it and see what it does for you.


                • #38
                  I have been dairy free for 2 full weeks now, it would be 5 but there was milk hiding in my probiotics so I thought I was dairy free and I wasn't. I gave it up because my little one was spitting up all the time and his baby acne was really bad and he started pooping green, he was almost 3 weeks old when I gave it up. I really missed it at first but now I am thinking I might just stay off it for the most part. It would be nice to have cheesecake once in a while but I really don't feel I need it anymore like I thought I did before I gave it up. I have not noticed a bit of difference without it except my little one is much much better, but I also had to eliminate eggs, nuts and seeds, and my prenatal multi-vitamins because they are the only soy I was eating and it also did not agree with him. I was hoping for some miracle weight loss but that has not happened, but I just had a baby so my body is a bit confused at the moment anyway.


                  • #39
                    I gave it up about 6 years ago after I was diagnosed with Lymphocytic Colitis. Trial and error quickly showed that if I ate even a tiny amount of any form of dairy, I would be in the bathroom exactly 36 hours later, and would remain ill for a couple of days. Not worth it. I even avoid those things that say 'may contain traces of milk products' as that trace will get me every time.

                    As well as the diarrhea, gas and tummy pain, giving it up has reduced my asthma (no meds any more) and sinus allergies.

                    Now that i have been well for ages, and my latest colonoscopy results show a marked reduction in lymphocytes, I am experimenting to see if there is a form of dairy I can have occasionally without causing a return of problems. I seem to be able to cope with small amounts of some cheeses on occasion, and the jury is still out on butter.

                    The take home message is if your doctor is doing a colonoscopy to check for IBS symptoms, plead, beg, promise to pay more money etc. anything to get them to do biopsies at the same time. The microscopic colitis family of illnesses is underdiagnosed as doctors only think it occurs in mature women. Youngest person I know of was diagnosed at 5 years of age, and I know plenty of men with these conditions. BTW, the dairy intolerance in this situation is usually to casein.


                    • #40
                      That's a cute cartoon, Dermapix. lol

                      To answer specific-like:

                      -What was the reason?

                      Lactose intolerance -- bloating, tummy aches, gas.

                      - What were the benefits (if any)?

                      no bloating, tummy aches and gas.

                      - Did you go through any withdrawal / detox symptoms?

                      Last edited by zoebird; 02-21-2013, 12:45 AM.


                      • #41
                        Thanx in advance.


                        • #42
                          I probably should. I think it might make me a little stuffy. But daily I have 1/4 - 1/2 cup homemade greek yogurt, and/or 1/2 cup cottage cheese. Once in a great while something else like cheese or cream cheese. If I am going for a higher fat day, then I might have those things.

                          I never use to eat yogurt or cottage cheese, well rarely. Not until I started to try to lose weight. Now I find that I really like them with my fruit & berries. Kind of replaces my desire to have desserts.
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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by CradlingaLion View Post
                            Keep in mind that with dairy, most specifically milk, organic is EVERYTHING.

                            The hormones and antibiotics that can exist in milk -- let alone blood and pus, up to a thimbleful per gallon, especially in choc. milk -- mess with your body bad.

                            I switched to organic only milk a few years ago and most recently have found some filtered organic whole milk that not only does NOT make me break out or get bad PMS, but tastes better too.

                            Quality is everything.
                            Unfortunately most organic milk sold in my area is ultra-pasteurized (UHT) and therefore dead, yuck. So the label organic isn't always "everything". Horizon organic milk is particularly questionable. Despite its Horizon brand, dairy giant Dean Foods really doesn Whenever I can get out to a store that carries it, I get non-homogenized, low-temp pasteurized milk from an area dairy. While they don't have the certified organic label, they use organic practices--no pesticides/herbicides on the grass, and no hormones for their cows.


                            • #44
                              Yes, I was wondering about Organic vs non-organic here in Canada. They do not allow the growth hormone here, but everything save very few hard cheeses are pasterized and homogenized. There is one milk brand that is not homogenized - but so expensive and hard to get. I buy butter and milk organic - and homogenized, but my greek yogurt just like that, since the price is steep on the greek yogurt to start with. So, in Canada, is organic label worth the 100% surcharge for milk (4$ for 4L to 8$ for 2L) and 40% surcharge yogurt (4$ for 500 mg to 7$ for 500 mg)? I would buy hard cheese organic and non-pasterized simply because of teh taste difference, but milk and yogurt taste the same.

                              The only difference in Canada it seems is that:

                              Organic farms use antibiotics as a last resort, opting for homeopathic remedies first, but if antibiotics must be used to maintain quality of life for the cow, they will be. If the animal is put back into the herd, its milk will not be used for sale for a minimum of 14 to 30 days or longer after the final treatment (on some organic farms, it will never be used for milk production again).

                              In conventional dairies, the cow is removed from milk production generally for two to five days after the final treatment of medication. Worth pointing out is that in both organic and non-organic dairy farms, if any trace of antibiotics is found in the milk during the quality test at the time of tank pick up, the farmer is responsible for buying the contaminated tank back. So it’s not in any farmer’s interest to sell milk containing antibiotics.

                              And the producer's site says:

                              Like all yogurt producers in Canada, Liberté must conduct analyses on the milk it uses to make yogurt and is prohibited from including milk that contains antibiotics or growing hormones.

                              Organic cows might get a better feed, but who knows.

                              So, is this longer withdrawal from the cycle after giving antibiotics worth choosing organic over non-organic?
                              Last edited by Leida; 02-21-2013, 09:50 AM.
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                              • #45
                                Is organic milk UHT in Canada? That's the dealbreaker for me, as I can get hormone-free conventional milk pretty much anywhere (and do occasionally). I found a good article discussing what's wrong with UHT milk: Just Say No To UHT Milk | Food Renegade