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  • Thoughts on high fat and 'high carb'

    From what I understand, some people think that eating high fat and high carb together is bad, for whatever reasons.... My question is what constitutes 'high carb' in this case. Are we talking SAD high carb where people are getting hundreds of carbs from grains, or are we talking about Paleo 'high carb', around 150-300 carbs?

    I'm curious, because many of us are eating more Paleo accepted foods like potatoes, rice, and so on. Say you have a steak and a couple of sweet potatoes on the side with butter on top. Does anyone actually argue that this is bad in some way due to the moderate carb load of this one meal?

    I'd be curious to hear your thoughts.

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    Fat doesn't cause weight gain, a caloric surplus does. Carbs don't cause weight gain, a caloric surplus does.

    Carbs and fat mixed will not cause weight gain, either. As always: a caloric surplus will. Sweet potatoes and butter are delicious, as are garlic butter fried prawns in rice with egg.

    In my experience, no, mixing does not cause any problems. At all.
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    • #3
      It's only bad if one or the other is putting you in an unintended caloric surplus. It has been my experience that macros aren't nearly as important as overall calories unless you are relying on the thermal effects of certain foods to create or maintain a certain target, which ultimately is semantics for caloric intake vs. expenditure.
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      • #4
        Originally posted by AngryKiwi47 View Post
        Fat doesn't cause weight gain, a caloric surplus does. Carbs don't cause weight gain, a caloric surplus does.
        I completely agree with you. Anything that you consume has calories (unless we're talking about those artificially products which are specifically made just for the taste).

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        • #5
          Originally posted by AngryKiwi47 View Post
          Fat doesn't cause weight gain, a caloric surplus does. Carbs don't cause weight gain, a caloric surplus does.
          Perfectly put. You can eat zero carbs until the cows come home, but if you're eating way more than your body burns, you're going to gain weight. Same with carbs.
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          • #6
            As per your example, no prob's, long as you do some hard yakka regularly.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by AngryKiwi47 View Post
              Fat doesn't cause weight gain, a caloric surplus does. Carbs don't cause weight gain, a caloric surplus does.
              fat doesn't cause weight gain, a high insulin response does. a caloric surplus doesn't cause weight gain, a high insulin response does. carbs cause a high insulin response. (once your muscles are full of glucose) a high insulin response stores everything in your fat cells, both fat and sugar (this is the reason they say high fat and high carb is bad, high carbs cause the storage response (insulin), High fats are very energy dense and cause alot of fat to get stored)

              From marks book: carbohydrates control insulin, insulin controls fat storage

              nearly every diet on the planet calls for people to restrict calories (have a caloric deficit) and alot of them only lead to failures, technically "a caloric surplus leads to weight gain" is true, but it is not the route to weight loss. our hunger response is a very deep seated urge in our bodies and almost impossible to control, If the body "feels" like its calories is getting restricted it will enact the hunger response in full force, hense all the calorie restricting failures.

              the most helpful advice to give people is to suggest they eat to control their insulin response, this involves eating low amounts of carbs (around 50 - 100 grams a day). ofcourse with carbs this low we won't be getting much calories from them so we need to eat a good amount of fats. because we are getting a good amount of fats our hunger response is quelled and we naturally eat only the amount of energy we require.

              hope that helps
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              • #8
                Moral of the story: if you intake high fat and 'high carb' then for burning them you would require hardcore exercise.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by dilberryhoundog View Post
                  [B] this involves eating low amounts of carbs (around 50 - 100 grams a day)
                  Not all carbs were created equal, don't forget the Kitavans, high Carb low Fat, no disease and good ab's.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by dilberryhoundog View Post
                    fat doesn't cause weight gain, a high insulin response does. a caloric surplus doesn't cause weight gain, a high insulin response does. carbs cause a high insulin response. (once your muscles are full of glucose) a high insulin response stores everything in your fat cells, both fat and sugar (this is the reason they say high fat and high carb is bad, high carbs cause the storage response (insulin), High fats are very energy dense and cause alot of fat to get stored)

                    From marks book: carbohydrates control insulin, insulin controls fat storage

                    nearly every diet on the planet calls for people to restrict calories (have a caloric deficit) and alot of them only lead to failures, technically "a caloric surplus leads to weight gain" is true, but it is not the route to weight loss. our hunger response is a very deep seated urge in our bodies and almost impossible to control, If the body "feels" like its calories is getting restricted it will enact the hunger response in full force, hense all the calorie restricting failures.

                    the most helpful advice to give people is to suggest they eat to control their insulin response, this involves eating low amounts of carbs (around 50 - 100 grams a day). ofcourse with carbs this low we won't be getting much calories from them so we need to eat a good amount of fats. because we are getting a good amount of fats our hunger response is quelled and we naturally eat only the amount of energy we require.

                    hope that helps
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                    • #11
                      Even my great Grandmother's generation knew that you feed people meat and potatoes to bulk them up.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by dilberryhoundog View Post
                        fat doesn't cause weight gain, a high insulin response does. a caloric surplus doesn't cause weight gain, a high insulin response does. carbs cause a high insulin response. (once your muscles are full of glucose) a high insulin response stores everything in your fat cells, both fat and sugar (this is the reason they say high fat and high carb is bad, high carbs cause the storage response (insulin), High fats are very energy dense and cause alot of fat to get stored)

                        From marks book: carbohydrates control insulin, insulin controls fat storage

                        nearly every diet on the planet calls for people to restrict calories (have a caloric deficit) and alot of them only lead to failures, technically "a caloric surplus leads to weight gain" is true, but it is not the route to weight loss. our hunger response is a very deep seated urge in our bodies and almost impossible to control, If the body "feels" like its calories is getting restricted it will enact the hunger response in full force, hense all the calorie restricting failures.

                        the most helpful advice to give people is to suggest they eat to control their insulin response, this involves eating low amounts of carbs (around 50 - 100 grams a day). ofcourse with carbs this low we won't be getting much calories from them so we need to eat a good amount of fats. because we are getting a good amount of fats our hunger response is quelled and we naturally eat only the amount of energy we require.

                        hope that helps
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                        • #13
                          Derp-
                          If you know so much more than Mark and a entire raft of scientists (Attia, Phinney, Westerman, etc. etc. etc.), what are your credentials? On what basis do you make such unscientific claims?
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Derpamix View Post
                            Really absurdly simplistic and poor understanding of endocrinology
                            mate your exactly right, wikipedia sais that:

                            Endocrinology - is a branch of biology and medicine dealing with the endocrine system

                            I am not a biologist or a doctor studying the bodies endocrine system. I am a dude trying to help another dude on an internet forum, with some knowledge that I learnt from the dude that owns the forum.

                            you don't seem to be either of these, 1. not practicing endocrinology or 2. trying to help any one. Why are you even posting?
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                            • #15
                              The sad thing is, I wouldn't even need credentials, when that whole point is carbs = insulin = weight gain, and ignores the entire functioning of the endocrine system.

                              Mark Sisson isn't a scientist either. He's a blogger and an athlete. By your post, he has no credentials either, ergo his point is invalid.
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