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  • European Meat Scandal

    Hiya,

    Just wondered what everyone thought about the meat scandal currently going on in Europe. Of course PB is all about unprocessed meat anyway, but I know many here aren't 100% PB.

    Personally I think if you eat meat, you can't excluse animals just because 'it's cute'...I happen to think cows and chickens are cute, but we're also designed to eat meat. What I do have a problem with is the drugs used on the animals, animal welfare and the being lied to.

    I confess I've still been eating the odd bit of processed food while I'm sourcing affordable and locally available unprocessed meat....but how much does it matter whether it's donkey, horse, pig or cow?

    For those that haven't heard... Horsemeat scandal: the essential guide | UK news | The Guardian

    Apparently the scandal has made vegetarian food sales go through the roof which I think is so dangerous because it is not a healthier option....have you seen what's in Quorn???

    Anyway what do you think of it all?
    ~Kaz x

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    I don't worry about it, because worrying won't help. I simply don't have the money to source the kind of top quality animal products that many on this forum do.

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    • #3
      Id just like to know why they used horse meat as a cheap filler...
      You ever shop for horse-meat?
      Its Bloody Expensive!
      Every time I hear the dirty word 'exercise', I wash my mouth out with chocolate.

      http://primaldog.blogspot.co.uk/

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      • #4
        Some people won't eat horse meat? What are they, 5 years old and retarded?

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        • #5
          eKatherine, I'm the same...I try to do the best with what I have but my budget doesn't allow for top quality just yet.

          LOL DinoHunter, no I haven't tried buying horse before.

          WinterBike...crazy isn't it? People are aware of the hormones and antibiotics in almost all meat, but are happy to eat them. But when they find out it's horse they go veggie :S

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          • #6
            Originally posted by DinoHunter View Post
            Id just like to know why they used horse meat as a cheap filler...
            You ever shop for horse-meat?
            Its Bloody Expensive!
            It seems the problem was somewhere that a supplier sourced horsemeat that was not raised for food, and thus contained all sorts of drugs. These were just old animals that had been sent to slaughter because they were sick or god knows what.

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            • #7
              It is unconscionable of course to misrepresent a product and I hope the companies get fines large enough to deter future dirty dealing. OTOH, while pork isn't ideal, if someone snuck added ingredients into my food, I'd rather it were horse/pig than soy, peanuts, or pink slime. Still the butazone is an issue for the horse meat.

              When I first started primal, I had a tough time with the price differences. Slowly but surely, my brain has flipped and now I don't see well-sourced meat as expensive, I see CAFO as artificially low priced. Factor in the cost to taxpayers in subsidies, the disgusting pollution, the terrible lives lived by the animals, and most importantly, the substandard product, and it's no wonder CAFO meats sell for so little.
              "Right is right, even if no one is doing it; wrong is wrong, even if everyone is doing it." - St. Augustine

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              Who says back fat is a bad thing? Maybe on a hairy guy at the beach, but not on a crab.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by DinoHunter View Post
                Id just like to know why they used horse meat as a cheap filler...
                You ever shop for horse-meat?
                Its Bloody Expensive!
                Couple years back when the US economy hit its current depression, I read a number of stories of horses going for next to nothing at auctions as people couldnt afford to keep em. I know some folk that got horsemeat for cheap at those auctions...

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                • #9
                  us horses are still being auctioned for pennies because of drought in much of the west and the subsequent high price for feed.

                  horsemeat is legal to sell and consume in much of the world.

                  On Horse Fat, Fries, and Harold McGee Chez Pim


                  but, yeah, the issues are the phony labels and that these were just old nags that should have gone to the glue factory, not dinner plates.
                  As I ate the oysters with their strong taste of the sea and their faint metallic taste that the cold white wine washed away, leaving only the sea taste and the succulent texture, and as I drank their cold liquid from each shell and washed it down with the crisp taste of the wine, I lost the empty feeling and began to be happy and to make plans.

                  Ernest Hemingway

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                  • #10
                    One of the main problems is the lies involved.
                    Also that those horses weren't raised for consumption.

                    I can't totally agree with the can't exclude because 'it's cute.' I agree that a lot of tasty farm and wild animals are cute, but I still eat them. Though some chickens are butt ugly!
                    However, there's always been animals we feel horrified at the thought of eating. Usually because we keep them as pets, and yeah there's a level of hypocrisy to it, but some animals, like dogs, we found them more useful to live with than to eat. Don't know for sure why. Maybe they were useful as working animals, or, I tend to feel, maybe the benefit to us was just in having something to love. We've evolved to be altruistic, and study after study has shown that pet ownership or even just occasional exposure to dogs (like with therapy animal programs) has benefits to our mental and physical wellbeing.
                    Last edited by s-piper; 02-17-2013, 12:22 PM.

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                    • #11
                      But some animals, like dogs, we found them more useful to live with than to eat. Don't know for sure why. Maybe they were useful as working animals, or, I tend to feel, maybe the benefit to us was just in having something to love.
                      i think you're romancing the bone a bit here. if grok's choice was to starve or eat fido, am quite sure fido went on the fire.

                      plenty of asian cultures eat dog.
                      As I ate the oysters with their strong taste of the sea and their faint metallic taste that the cold white wine washed away, leaving only the sea taste and the succulent texture, and as I drank their cold liquid from each shell and washed it down with the crisp taste of the wine, I lost the empty feeling and began to be happy and to make plans.

                      Ernest Hemingway

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by noodletoy View Post


                        i think you're romancing the bone a bit here. if grok's choice was to starve or eat fido, am quite sure fido went on the fire.

                        plenty of asian cultures eat dog.
                        I'm not romanticizing anything. Of course in times of scarcity any animals around were demoted from 'pets' to 'dinner.' Famine means suddenly not at all picky. There's numerous instances of people eating corpses in times of starvation!

                        However, dogs became widespread pets in almost every culture even the same Asian ones where they're also eaten. That's proof alone that not only most of the time there was plenty of food for humans without eating dog, but that they actually found reason to feed them! Yes, I'm aware they were probably originally just scavengers of our scraps, but they did become pets. In a basic sense dogs are parasites and ancient human beings were giant suckers for sharing precious and hard to comeby resources with them. That an unromantic enough interpretation?
                        There is, of course, the 'working dog' hypothesis that the protection, aid in hunting, etc. made it a mutalistic relationship rather than a parasitic one, but more and more that's just not adding up, and that the benefit to dogs in being around humans greatly outweighs the benefit to humans in keeping dogs.
                        That's why I think that it's more of our evolved aultrism. It helps us survive by helping each other, and the fact that it makes us feel good to do it is all the more evolutionarily reinforcing.

                        So which do you like better? That Grok had evolved to love, and thus help his family survive by keeping them together, and dogs were an accidential benificary, or that he was just too stupid to realize 'hey, instead of going into the woods to look for food why not just kill that thing gnawing the bones of last night's kill?'
                        Last edited by s-piper; 02-17-2013, 12:53 PM.

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                        • #13
                          if grok's choice was to starve or eat fido, am quite sure fido went on the fire.
                          lol we would be starving rather than eat our fido or our horse around here. or the cat for that matter. i have no qualms about someone else eating horses or dogs that dont belong to me. it is kinda unnatural to eat a dog. as i say to anyone, if you've actually owned a decent hunting dog you would know how much more food you can get with one vs without one. so you really are shooting yourself in the foot eating fido. you would be better off eating one of the enemy. horses i am more realistic about as i know how much they cost to feed, how much care they take and how nasty some of them can be.

                          was not the scandal partly coz the romanians were culling wild horses and sending them off into the food chain?

                          dinohunter horse meat is relatively cheap if you get it from the petfood suppliers. i have never seen it sold for human consumption here. my main worry would be the meat withholding periods on the drenches.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by seaweed View Post

                            dinohunter horse meat is relatively cheap if you get it from the petfood suppliers. i have never seen it sold for human consumption here. my main worry would be the meat withholding periods on the drenches.
                            Ive never seen it sold for pet food here, the place I found it was selling for human consumption. They specilize in unusual meats
                            Every time I hear the dirty word 'exercise', I wash my mouth out with chocolate.

                            http://primaldog.blogspot.co.uk/

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                            • #15
                              you are much nearer to france and italy than we are. we're way down south but i have seen horse labelled as horse in petfood shops. it is also listed as an ingredient on some raw pet foods and i know this as i am not ALLOWED to buy it for the animals as it is horse LOL

                              here's a news article about horse meat here

                              Horsemeat served up in New Zealand - national | Stuff.co.nz

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