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    I have tried to get my husband on board with Primal eating, but it has been a struggle. Firstly, he is scared to commit because he can't believe that eating saturated fat won't kill him of a heart attack. Secondly, he is a carb addict. I managed to get him to cut out carbs for about 2 weeks, but he didn't commit, so he still had sugar in his teas and coffees, he still drank beer after work and on days off, he cheated regularly with a piece of cake, or onion bahjis etc. He would overdose on nuts and seeds, and eat huge handfuls of dried fruit. He quit after 2 weeks because he found the diet boring because he couldn't eat the food he liked (pasta, rice and potatoes) and it was making him bad tempered. (It was) Now I am trying to keep as close to Primal for him as I can, aside from his sandwiches for lunch and an occasional rice or pasta dinner.
    So my question is, if he is still eating as many carbs as he is, then should I return him to a low fat diet? Surely his body will just store any ingested fat because it is too busy with all the carbs? I don't want to damage his health, he is such a stress-head, I feel he is always on the brink of a heart attack, which was my main motivation for going Primal in the first place!
    BTW, I am having good results, weight is coming off (lots about 8-10lbs) and I feel better, but I have all the other ares of Primal living to tackle yet, I have only started with the diet side of things. Any advice would be really appreciated!

  • #2
    Could you at least get him off of processed food first? Instead of sandwiches for lunch, maybe make something deliciously homecooked.
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    • #3
      If he's completely opposed to the diet change, then you should probably just let him eat how he wants. However, see if he's receptive to a high carb, low fat paleo approach. Lots of starch, fruit and lean meats (which he's used to anyway because he's afraid of fat).

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      • #4
        Mm, I've wondered about this too. But instead what I do and it doesn't seem to have backfired badly, is serve my husband the same dinner as I eat, with sometimes extra rice or potatoes that I'm not having.

        Then I pack the leftovers for his lunch so he can heat it up at work.

        So that's two primal meals out of three. My thinking being that it is important to have the good nutrition, if he chooses to add unnecessary extra sugar, beer, bread etc, then that's not for me to say anything about.

        For breakfast he prefers grapefruit with sugar, coffee with sugar, and cereal with sweet yoghurt. Grr, what a way to start the day. However, I add some nuts and coconut and rice bubbles to the muesli, and cut the yoghurt 50:50 with greek and he eats it. This alters the balance more in favour of fat than carbs, hopefully minimising the damage. Not grain free, but pretty low gluten.

        I keep hoping that if I keep him satisfied enough on the good primal food his desire for the junk will diminish. That hasn't really happened, yet he is still getting some health benefits.
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        • #5
          Don't try to get him on a low carb OR low fat "diet".

          Just get him to eat whole, Paleo foods. If he wants potatoes? Let him eat potatoes. Eggs? Let him eat eggs. Low fat in general is a terrible idea.
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          • #6
            But surely if he's eating carbs and saturated fat, his body won't burn off the fat because it's burning carbs, and it will clog up his arteries? Or just make him fatter?

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            • #7
              A caloric surplus makes you fat, whether it be fat, or carbs.

              Assuming he's eating whole foods, it'll be difficult for him to get in a surplus without trying.
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              • #8
                Yes, I agree. Low fat not only doesn't promote health but it creates hunger which leads to even more binging on the carbohydrates.
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                • #9
                  If you take away a nutrient that satiates and take away that which he craves, you're going to have one unhappy, hungry husband. Don't lecture, don't preach, lead by example. You can lead a horse to water and all that...
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Annieh View Post
                    Mm, I've wondered about this too. But instead what I do and it doesn't seem to have backfired badly, is serve my husband the same dinner as I eat, with sometimes extra rice or potatoes that I'm not having.

                    Then I pack the leftovers for his lunch so he can heat it up at work.

                    So that's two primal meals out of three. My thinking being that it is important to have the good nutrition, if he chooses to add unnecessary extra sugar, beer, bread etc, then that's not for me to say anything about.
                    This is how I handle it. Except for the leftovers for lunch. He's not a big fan of leftovers for some reason. And he rarely eats breakfast. Interestingly, over the last 8 months his lunches have gotten better and better because he just makes different choices.

                    My number one priority, way beyond all others, is to reduce.the.amount.of.crap in my family's diet. No amount of macro fiddling will benefit them as much as reducing.the.amount.of.crap in their diets. Sometimes that means replacing non-primal foods with primal foods. But sometimes that means replacing something crappy with something less crappy or figuring out a way to slyly reduce the portion size of crap. For example, my family used to eat a lot of ice cream and buying better ice cream didn't automatically reduce portion size. So I started buying Skinny Cow ice cream bars in whatever flavors they liked best. Those things are crap, but they are small portion crap. Initially, DH and the kids would eat 2 every evening. Now, someone eats one maybe once a week. Nobody has asked for ice cream. My son is more likely to scramble a couple of (pastured) eggs for a late evening snack. I'm not sure why it worked. I'm not going to jinx it by bringing attention to it.

                    If I get pushback, I back away. My plan is to win the war. If that means retreating while I rethink my strategy, I'm OK with that.
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                    • #11
                      I understand you care about him and want to take care of his health, the problem is you really can't do that for another person if they aren't ready to do that for themselves.
                      What I'd do is just let him eat whatever he wants. It's his body and he's responsible for what he puts in it. When it comes to meals you make for the both of you, just make whatever you will and have the attitue of "this is what I made, so this is what's for dinner." If he won't have it without some rice, pasta, or potatoes on the side then you can make just a small serving for him but I wouldn't do entirely separate meals.

                      The fat issue. Even conventional nutrition advice says that olive oil is good for your heart, so if he's worried about eating saturated fat and you're worried about him eating saturated fat if he isn't cutting carbs then I'd go with using more olive oil instead of animal fats.

                      You could also try a more slow transition approach, and start with getting him more away from wheat.
                      I've never tried gluten-free bread but my aunt who is diagnosed gluten intolerant hates it, so I don't have any good advice about bread.
                      Gluten-free pasta is pretty good though. Quinoa pasta looks like regular white pasta and the taste isn't very different, so you could make that sometime and see if he notices a difference. Rice noodles are a little different, but it also tastes just as good as regular pasta to me. Yes, neither one is exactly Primal but it's a start.
                      Pasta is my Achillies Heel. Spaghetti squash and shredded zucchini are okay for a while, but eventually I just want noodles! So I switched to kelp noodles. They have a very mild flavor, but the texture and taste is very different than simolina so I wouldn't recommened serving it with Italian sauces, rather Asian style sauces if you want to try introducing him to kelp noodles. I eat mine with Bolognese, but that's just because I'm willing to put up with the strangeness factor to be able to have pasta and still be Primal. An uncommitted person, though, would probably find it intolerable.
                      Whether or not potatoes are Primal depends on who you ask, but the overall consensus is that they aren't a definite no-no so I'd leave that one alone for now.

                      And overall just be patient and inspire him to change by setting a good example instead of pressuring. If he sees you lose a lot of weight and gain improvements in your health he might become more interested.

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                      • #12
                        Thank you everyone for your replies. I don't want to give the impression that I lecture him or pressure him - I don't. He wanted to join me on my Primal journey because I have lost weight, and he did try. Kind of. I guess if we cut out the wheat first (which he wants to anyway) and we can work from there. Once I get the hang of Primal cooking (on a very tight budget) then maybe the meals will be interesting enough to keep him going.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by mummibear View Post
                          Thank you everyone for your replies. I don't want to give the impression that I lecture him or pressure him - I don't. He wanted to join me on my Primal journey because I have lost weight, and he did try. Kind of. I guess if we cut out the wheat first (which he wants to anyway) and we can work from there. Once I get the hang of Primal cooking (on a very tight budget) then maybe the meals will be interesting enough to keep him going.
                          Check out 'Wheat Belly' by William Davis, and have your hubby do so too.

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                          • #14
                            Is your husband open to reading articles about the causes of heart disease? If so this article may help him to see why eating grains increases inflammation which is a major factor in heart disease.

                            Heart Surgeon Speaks Out On What Really Causes Heart Disease -- Health & Wellness -- Sott.net
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by mummibear View Post
                              . Once I get the hang of Primal cooking (on a very tight budget) then maybe the meals will be interesting enough to keep him going.

                              I'm on a budget, too. My "staples" are:
                              -Eggs
                              -Potatoes
                              -Bananas
                              -Mesclun salad.
                              -White rice
                              -Offal (organ meats)
                              Every now and then I'll buy some salmon, or something to mix things up.

                              IMO, make meals interesting - fry up some Ox heart as a steak; cheap as dirt and you can barely tell he difference. Serve it alongside some oven baked potato fries and fried eggs.
                              Steak, eggs and chips - really, who could say no to that?
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