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  • #46
    Originally posted by Drumroll View Post
    I'm still a big fan of Mark's idea of "dialing in calories weekly." Fasting is pretty dang great for insulin sensitivity (Intermittent Fasting Improves Insulin Sensitivity Even without Weight Loss) and therefore, the occasional 24 hour fast is probably a good thing.

    What Mark means by dialing in the calories on a weekly basis is this: if you need 2,000 calories per day to maintain (just a random number picked) then you need not eat 2,000 a day, every day to do so. You nearly need to eat 14,000 calories over the course of the week (2,000 * 7). You can then include a 24 hour fast or two as long as you make up the missed 2,000 - 4,000 calories by eating more on other days of that week.
    Yeah, thats how I roll too . Today I probably gorged down 5000-6000 calories. Sushi buffet and much much more for dinner all with a stout workout done fasted prior. Just one of my go nuts days. I probably won't eat until dinner time tomorrow though. Not cause I'm fasting....just cause I'm just not likely to be hungry till then.

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    • #47
      Originally posted by Neckhammer View Post
      Yeah, thats how I roll too . Today I probably gorged down 5000-6000 calories. Sushi buffet and much much more for dinner all with a stout workout done fasted prior. Just one of my go nuts days. I probably won't eat until dinner time tomorrow though. Not cause I'm fasting....just cause I'm just not likely to be hungry till then.
      Yep, I do the same thing from time to time... And since I lowered calories on other days to make up for the huge hit on that one day, I won't gain. It doesn't always make sense that you wouldn't have to eat daily to maintain weight, but in my experience, from testing this theory out, Mark was right on the money.
      "The cling and a clang is the metal in my head when I walk. I hear a sort of, this tinging noise - cling clang. The cling clang. So many things happen while walking. The metal in my head clangs and clings as I walk - freaks my balance out. So the natural thought is just clogged up. Totally clogged up. So we need to unplug these dams, and make the the natural flow... It sort of freaks me out. We need to unplug the dams. You cannot stop the natural flow of thought with a cling and a clang..."

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      • #48
        Can anyone answer any of my earlier questions please? Zach can you explain more about what you said?

        Going back to starvation mode and body holding on to fat.
        Firstly, why did I not lose weight when I first went back to primal, and only eating to satisfaction? I had come off a 6 month binge of SAD foods, and gained almost 20 kg? Is this because the high insulin had come up about here sometime?
        I guess I did lose 4 kg in Jan, because of reduced calories maybe, but I was already lc oct-jan, but just lowered them slight more for Jan, with more fat.

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        • #49
          Also if starvation mode is true, how do you explain anorexics, and bulimics getting extremely thin? Why do their bodies not hold onto what fat they have since they are eating even less than I am. Not to mention they would actually be feeling hunger, but ignoring it. If I had more hunger I would not ignore it.

          I can see the first step is to ditch the BP coffee, I already had intended too, but I do like it so hadn't yet. And to eat a real meal instead.

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          • #50
            Your body isn't what you ate yesterday, it's what you ate this last year.
            "Right is right, even if no one is doing it; wrong is wrong, even if everyone is doing it." - St. Augustine

            B*tch-lite

            Who says back fat is a bad thing? Maybe on a hairy guy at the beach, but not on a crab.

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            • #51
              Originally posted by Ayla2010 View Post
              Can anyone answer any of my earlier questions please? Zach can you explain more about what you said?

              Going back to starvation mode and body holding on to fat.
              Firstly, why did I not lose weight when I first went back to primal, and only eating to satisfaction? I had come off a 6 month binge of SAD foods, and gained almost 20 kg? Is this because the high insulin had come up about here sometime?
              I guess I did lose 4 kg in Jan, because of reduced calories maybe, but I was already lc oct-jan, but just lowered them slight more for Jan, with more fat.
              I'm not saying that starvation mode caused your issues. I strongly believe you probably have some truly serious metabolic issues that need working on. However, starvation mode eating for such a long period may not have done your body any favors.

              You may have compounded the difficulties on top of each other. But if you had severe metabolic issues to BEGIN with, that may explain why losing even after the binge period would have been so tough.
              "The cling and a clang is the metal in my head when I walk. I hear a sort of, this tinging noise - cling clang. The cling clang. So many things happen while walking. The metal in my head clangs and clings as I walk - freaks my balance out. So the natural thought is just clogged up. Totally clogged up. So we need to unplug these dams, and make the the natural flow... It sort of freaks me out. We need to unplug the dams. You cannot stop the natural flow of thought with a cling and a clang..."

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              • #52
                I think starvation mode is completely overblown. Sure, the body is adaptable and if you restrict calories for very long periods of time, your body will probably adapt somewhat. But it's a system that needs energy to work. Too much fuel, and you store what you don't use. Too little and you'll burn fat and muscle. Anorexics take it to great depths - they deplete so much stored energy, that they can lose hair, teeth, life.
                "Right is right, even if no one is doing it; wrong is wrong, even if everyone is doing it." - St. Augustine

                B*tch-lite

                Who says back fat is a bad thing? Maybe on a hairy guy at the beach, but not on a crab.

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                • #53
                  Sorry I know you aren't.
                  Ok that makes a bit of sense. I do not believe any of this is a new problem. Going up and down and all the various diets, and binges, cannot have been good for me.

                  That is what I wanted to know.
                  Those who think I am starving, is that what you think caused my high insulin, or do I have 2 problems? Are they unrelated?

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by JoanieL View Post
                    I think starvation mode is completely overblown. Sure, the body is adaptable and if you restrict calories for very long periods of time, your body will probably adapt somewhat. But it's a system that needs energy to work. Too much fuel, and you store what you don't use. Too little and you'll burn fat and muscle. Anorexics take it to great depths - they deplete so much stored energy, that they can lose hair, teeth, life.
                    Yeah I know things are really bad for them, but I am just trying to understand why they are able to get to that point. If starvation mode was real, surely their bodies wouldn't let it go that far. That part I don't get.

                    If I had not enough fuel though, would I not have no energy, and have other symptoms of that?
                    Or is my body that messed up, it can't tell me anything?

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                    • #55
                      I think you probably had the metabolic issues before you ever started the huge calorie deficits. Then, as I said, you may have compounded them by eating such a low caloric intake for so long.
                      "The cling and a clang is the metal in my head when I walk. I hear a sort of, this tinging noise - cling clang. The cling clang. So many things happen while walking. The metal in my head clangs and clings as I walk - freaks my balance out. So the natural thought is just clogged up. Totally clogged up. So we need to unplug these dams, and make the the natural flow... It sort of freaks me out. We need to unplug the dams. You cannot stop the natural flow of thought with a cling and a clang..."

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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by Drumroll View Post
                        I think you probably had the metabolic issues before you ever started the huge calorie deficits. Then, as I said, you may have compounded them by eating such a low caloric intake for so long.
                        This makes the most sense to me, and I understand this.
                        So eating more calories will do what exactly? How will that make my body burn more fat?

                        Will eating more bring down my insulin? The Dr says the reason for slow loss is the high insulin. Which is why he prescribed the meds, which he says will bring it down.

                        But how will eating more impact this? this is where I am still lost. I have no problem with eating more, but want to understand how will help towards healing me.

                        I can take away the BP coffee and eating a meal. If I do eat leaner protein at my meals, I should be able to get in more food I think. But if I do this, and reduce fat a little, even with a little more protein, but not too much, won't I be getting in a similar amount of calories?

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by Ayla2010 View Post
                          How does that work though? What if I am eating the same calories and macros as a BP coffee in one meal? How does that impact it?
                          What I meant was that it's really easy to overeat liquid calories.

                          In your example, I guess your BP coffee replaces your meal. But where's the quality protein?

                          Forget calories. Or rather, focus on eating foods that will provide you with the *nutrition* you need in the form of essential vitamins etc.
                          Last edited by magicmerl; 02-14-2013, 07:59 PM.
                          Disclaimer: I eat 'meat and vegetables' ala Primal, although I don't agree with the carb curve. I like Perfect Health Diet and WAPF Lactofermentation a lot.

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                          5,000 Cal Fat <> 5,000 Cal Carbs
                          Winterbike: What I eat every day is what other people eat to treat themselves.
                          TQP: I find for me that nutrition is much more important than what I do in the gym.
                          bloodorchid is always right

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                          • #58
                            Eating more will probably RAISE insulin levels slightly at first because your body has to get used to the new way of eating all over again. This may not be a noticeable increase however, if you already have serious issues. And once it adjusts to the new way of eating and recognizes it as the norm, insulin levels may calm down a bit.

                            Will it solve all of your metabolic issues? NO.

                            Will it help? YES.
                            "The cling and a clang is the metal in my head when I walk. I hear a sort of, this tinging noise - cling clang. The cling clang. So many things happen while walking. The metal in my head clangs and clings as I walk - freaks my balance out. So the natural thought is just clogged up. Totally clogged up. So we need to unplug these dams, and make the the natural flow... It sort of freaks me out. We need to unplug the dams. You cannot stop the natural flow of thought with a cling and a clang..."

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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by Ayla2010 View Post
                              This makes the most sense to me, and I understand this.
                              So eating more calories will do what exactly? How will that make my body burn more fat?

                              Will eating more bring down my insulin? The Dr says the reason for slow loss is the high insulin. Which is why he prescribed the meds, which he says will bring it down.

                              But how will eating more impact this? this is where I am still lost. I have no problem with eating more, but want to understand how will help towards healing me.

                              I can take away the BP coffee and eating a meal. If I do eat leaner protein at my meals, I should be able to get in more food I think. But if I do this, and reduce fat a little, even with a little more protein, but not too much, won't I be getting in a similar amount of calories?
                              Drinking vs eating calories is irrelevant. It's just more likely you'll feel more sated on food vs drinks. People struggling to gain weight are recommended to drink calories between meals to up them.
                              As for you, I suggest keeping the BP coffee AND eating breakfast. Why? Because it's been established you're not getting enough cals in as is.

                              Have you signed back into MFP yet?
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                              • #60
                                Ayla, you know all these answers all ready because you have asked them repeatedly. You know what to do, yet you come here every night and confuse yourself even more. This thread is too long for me to highlight all the contradictions and answered questions you keep posting and honestly i dont care to explain myself because all you have ever done is ridicule me and shrug off any information I have ever given you. Did you even read the article i posted at the beginning or did you skip it because some idiot said it was high carb propaganda?

                                And yes, i think the best thing you could do right now is unplug your computer and try to forget everything you think you know about nutrition.

                                Heres my last advice. Eat real food, dont restrict a food because of its nutrient content, restrict it if it has chemicals you cant pronounce. Dont eat half your calories in liquid fat because some loon on a forum says it works for them. Eat like you live in the 19th century and you had never read a word on nutrition. If you cant grow it, kill it, pick it, milk it, dont eat it.

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