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  • A friend of me became fat by eating less! How is that even possible though? Well, he was very active into sport and when he quit his active carreer he ate less but he also exercised MUCH LESS than before, so in a period of five years he “woke up” and realized that he had become rather fat. He still did OVEREAT though, even if he ate less than before…
    "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident."

    - Schopenhauer

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    • I don't doubt that is true. And I can guarantee you that I was a super active kid as I grew up in pre-computer days when children went outside to run, roller skate, play ball, etc.

      However, my point is that through history there has been many theories in medicine that have ultimately been disproved. Many people have similar experiences to mine and CW doesn't study it or try to explain it. They dismiss it as overeating as is frequently done here. That is too simplistic to explain my experience or that of many others.There is quite a lot in the literature now that points to modern wheat as one source of weight gain and for many even a small amount of sugar is a kind of poison. All I can share is my experience: cutting out grains and sugar (and for some time potatoes as well) helped me lose 70 pounds that I was never able to lose with much effort in the past..
      Starting Weight: 197.5
      Current Weight: 123
      Far healthier!

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      • Originally posted by janie View Post
        Can't read it Derp. I got you on ignore as do many others.

        I'm 67 years old and know what my experience has been. I imagine you insulted me, but that's what you do.
        Heh. I'm not 67, but same.
        Disclaimer: I eat 'meat and vegetables' ala Primal, although I don't agree with the carb curve. I like Perfect Health Diet and WAPF Lactofermentation a lot.

        Griff's cholesterol primer
        5,000 Cal Fat <> 5,000 Cal Carbs
        Winterbike: What I eat every day is what other people eat to treat themselves.
        TQP: I find for me that nutrition is much more important than what I do in the gym.
        bloodorchid is always right

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        • Eating too much food is the physiological reason behind fat gain for everybody, but if we ask WHY an overweight person eats too much food - then we will get lots of differentiated reasons behind their overeating. But they are still overeating though…
          "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident."

          - Schopenhauer

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          • Originally posted by Gorbag View Post
            Eating too much food is the physiological reason behind fat gain for everybody, but if we ask WHY an overweight person eats too much food - then we will get lots of differentiated reasons behind their overeating. But they are still overeating though…

            I don't know how to explain it to you any better. Many scientific theories have been overturned. Many conditions thought to be a result of mere laziness have turned out to have real physiological causes.

            I doubt I can change your mind and won't try further. But I know that there are others with the same experience as I.
            Starting Weight: 197.5
            Current Weight: 123
            Far healthier!

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            • Originally posted by magicmerl View Post
              heh. I'm not 67, but same.
              lol!
              Starting Weight: 197.5
              Current Weight: 123
              Far healthier!

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              • The more I get into this way of eating, losing weight and then stalling - the more I am convinced that FOR ME it is about the amount of calories and also about the combinations of calories.
                "never let the truth get in the way of a good story "

                ...small steps....

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                • It is also possible that people with obesity issues (overweight all their lives) overeat--but don't realize it.

                  I'm 71, and only in the past 5 years have I achieved a 'normal' weight by losing almost 200 lbs (maintaining loss for 2 years now and counting).

                  What I learned (and what 'saved' me) is that I'm extremely sensitive to carbs, so that by eating the SAD, my appetite was insatiable. But since I was only eating to hunger and not 'stuffing myself,' I never considered that I was overeating. When I'd try to eat less with a SAD in an attempt to lose weight, I was starving, and couldn't manage to stick with it.

                  Only by limiting myself to 20g carbs can I minimize my appetite, and I need to eat at that level even in maintenance. What's interesting is that my body seems to thrive on such low-carb eating, and I suspect that's because of a basic metabolic disorder that causes me to 'react' to carbs.

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                  • Wow Emmie - that is HUGE !!!!! Well done you.
                    "never let the truth get in the way of a good story "

                    ...small steps....

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                    • Originally posted by emmie View Post
                      It is also possible that people with obesity issues (overweight all their lives) overeat--but don't realize it.
                      If it took you 40 years to put on those 200 pounds you lost, that's fewer than 50 calories in excess per day. That's like one bite your body was telling you it needed when it didn't. It's not like you were cramming food down for your whole life.

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                      • I don't care what the studies say. I used to eat a SAD diet, and when I tracked my calories closely eating many grains, seed oils, margarine, alcohol, skim milk, etc (Yes I tracked the alcohol too). My macros on a typical day:
                        Day I drank (average twice per week):
                        3200kcal
                        30% Fat
                        14% Protein
                        23% Carbs
                        33% Alcohol

                        Days I didn't drink:
                        2400kcal
                        34% Fat
                        27% Protein
                        39% Carbs

                        I was gaining on average 5lbs per year eating this way.

                        Seven weeks ago, I gave up most dairy, all seed oils, legumes, sugar, alcohol, starchy vegetables, all grains. I added coconut oil, MTC's, cod liver oil, Vit D supplements. I now eat:

                        3000-3100kcal per day
                        70% Fat
                        20% Protein
                        10% Carbs

                        As of today I have lost 13.3lbs. (And experienced many other health benefits). I am basically at the same activity level as before.

                        Calories In / Calories out says I should be increasing weight faster now than what I was gaining on a SAD diet, obviously something else is going on. I believe calories in / calories out is a simplistic and outdated theory. Obviously, a human body isn't a very good calorimeter, and why would it be? There is a hell of a lot more going on in my body than burning food in an oxygen chamber..
                        "It's a great life, if you don't weaken.". John Buchan

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                        • Thank you NZprimalGwamma, emmie, eKatherine & Itchy166 for your insightful and nonjudgemental comments.

                          Sometimes when I speak with the "calories in-calories out" theorists here, I feel like I'm sitting in the office of a ADA nutritionist.

                          So your open-mindedness and sharing of your experience is much appreciated.
                          Starting Weight: 197.5
                          Current Weight: 123
                          Far healthier!

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                          • Originally posted by itchy166 View Post
                            ICalories In / Calories out says I should be increasing weight faster now than what I was gaining on a SAD diet, obviously something else is going on. I believe calories in / calories out is a simplistic and outdated theory.
                            Well, you are wrong; there is no magic or sorcery going on in your body. Fluctuations in mental stress or anxiety may burn more or less calories over time, metabolic slowdown due to advanced age, physical activity etc. so it's a lot of factors in play, but the rock bottom of it all is calories in and calories out, there is no way to bypass that…
                            Last edited by Gorbag; 02-20-2013, 03:48 PM.
                            "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident."

                            - Schopenhauer

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                            • You prove my point Gorbag.
                              Starting Weight: 197.5
                              Current Weight: 123
                              Far healthier!

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                              • Maybe we should bleed these people. Cure them with mercury. Give them some Coca-cola (Cocaine). You cling to theory like it is truth.
                                Starting Weight: 197.5
                                Current Weight: 123
                                Far healthier!

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