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  • Zach that is not what I said.

    I wanted to know what the difference was between having physiological insulin resistance, and managing it via eating the way I am compared to someone who has high insulin due to not looking after themselves, IE eating garbage.

    I have already said I am not going high carb.

    And yes I want to be in the health field, i am a long way off being finished and getting out there. Right now healing myself is the most important thing. That comment was irrelevant to this thread. Now I truly believe you are being nasty and trying to hassle me for your own pleasure. Please just STOP.

    This thread is finished.
    For now I am going to keeping eating as I am but working on eating more and not drinking my calories, as well exercising.
    I will go back to the Dr in a month and re-test my insulin. I am keeping an eye on my sugar levels at home.
    I will then decide about the meds the Dr prescribed. Right now the important thing is bringing down my insulin, which will happen as I lose weight also. Yes its happening slowly but its still happening. So for now this is what I will focus on, plus keeping stress out of my life.

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    • Zach you only have to google physiological insulin resistance to find a ton of articles.
      Pick any damn topic and you can find many things disputing it and many agreeing. Just because you are posting an article against it, doesn't make it right. Just because it might be right for you.
      Physiological Insulin Resistance - Ketopia
      there is one I found. Who knows if its right. It makes sense to me. IF things get worse for me, then I will re-think what I am doing. I am not stupid. You seem to think so but I don't give a shit.

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      • Originally posted by Zach View Post
        Show me something not written by Mark Sisson that says that it is good. Normal does not mean good.

        Hyperlipid: Physiological insulin resistance

        I think I could make a very good case that a proper physiological adaptation to your environment and the capacity to reverse or change this adaptation in the face of changes to that environment without damage to the organism is "good", "healthy", and "metabolically fit".
        Last edited by Neckhammer; 02-16-2013, 05:30 PM.

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        • Originally posted by Zach View Post
          Show me something not written by Mark Sisson that says that it is good. Normal does not mean good.
          Normal means NOT pathological.

          Seriously, Zach. Get off of Ayla's case. You are getting into creepy stalker land here.

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          • Ok, Ayla. I will leave you alone when you stop feeling the need to defend the world of low carb from me. Stop highligting my posts that are not directed at you and i will stop giving you advice that you dont want to hear.

            One last thing though, you are not Neckhammer or PB. Your options are limited when it comes to fixing your health and i firmly believe you are on the wrong path. If you would rather take meds and stay on the weight loss/gain rollercoaster then try something out of your comfort zone then that is on you. I believe i could have you lose fat and regain your health if you would just listen and try.

            Good luck to you.

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            • From the link NH posted:

              LC eating rapidly induces insulin resistance. This is a completely and utterly normal physiological response to carbohydrate restriction. Carbohydrate restriction drops insulin levels. Low insulin levels activate hormone sensitive lipase. Fatty tissue breaks down and releases non esterified fatty acids. These are mostly taken up by muscle cells as fuel and automatically induce insulin resistance in those muscles.

              This is patently logical as muscle runs well on lipids and so glucose can be left for tissues such as brain, which really need it.

              However, while muscles are in "refusal mode" for glucose the least input, from food or gluconeogenesis, will rapidly spike blood glucose out of all proportion. This is fine if you stick to LC in your eating. It also means that if you take an oral glucose tolerance test you will fail and be labelled diabetic.

              The general opinion in LC circles is that you need 150g of carbohydrate per day for three days before an oral glucose tolerance test.
              Perhaps this is what happened to you, Ayla?

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              • Originally posted by Zach View Post
                Ok, Ayla. I will leave you alone when you stop feeling the need to defend the world of low carb from me. Stop highligting my posts that are not directed at you and i will stop giving you advice that you dont want to hear.

                One last thing though, you are not Neckhammer or PB. Your options are limited when it comes to fixing your health and i firmly believe you are on the wrong path. If you would rather take meds and stay on the weight loss/gain rollercoaster then try something out of your comfort zone then that is on you. I believe i could have you lose fat and regain your health if you would just listen and try.

                Good luck to you.
                Zach I am defending it because it works for some, and not everyone is going to be damaged by it.

                What does that mean, I am not neckhammer? Really no shit. My comments don't apply becaause I am not them?

                Your suggestion is to eat more sugar, I am NOT doing that, what part of sugar leads to bingeing for ME don't you get. If I eat more sugar, I will be in a worse position.
                I am losing fat, just slowly and maybe that is OK.

                I have not said I am going to take the meds, I am still considering it, and I already said I am getting my insulin retested in a month, of eating MORE food. Did you miss that?

                And don't you dare say I want to destroy myself, I DON"T want to live in this fat disgusting body and I am working my way through it, you don't know me, and don't understand.
                If I didn't care I would be stuffing myself with SAD food still, and eating myself into a stupor. So please just stop.

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                • Originally posted by Paleobird View Post
                  From the link NH posted:



                  Perhaps this is what happened to you, Ayla?
                  Yes I am wondering, it does make sense.
                  So in a way Zach saying LC is the cause of my problem is kind of right. BUT in saying that, I still don't see it as being the same as Insulin resistance caused by someone is still eating garbage. And its not going to cause the same damage.
                  I have already said I plan to eat more, but I am not going to stuff myself full of carbs and other sugars like Zach suggests


                  I already said too, that I only went to the Dr due to being impatient about losing weight slowly. I am still losing, but have never ever lost weight quickly, ever, so its probably normal.

                  I do not have any symptoms, and do not feel unwell. I am not doing any damage to myself.

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                  • And Zach you started a thread with an article you said you posted for me.
                    How is that not being specifically harassing me?
                    It really wasn't needed, why not PM it to me if you really feel the need to share it with me?

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                    • You didnt agree to stop following me around...

                      Your right i dont know you, but i know a heck of a lot about your health since you post so many threads about it. You have no idea what i would have you do. If you ever want to know, PM me.

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                      • Originally posted by Ayla2010 View Post
                        And Zach you started a thread with an article you said you posted for me.
                        How is that not being specifically harassing me?
                        It really wasn't needed, why not PM it to me if you really feel the need to share it with me?
                        Get over yourself. I posted that for everyone. Its way to easy to get you riled, the stresz cannot be good for your health.

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                        • Originally posted by Zach View Post
                          One last thing though, you are not Neckhammer or PB. Your options are limited when it comes to fixing your health and i firmly believe you are on the wrong path. If you would rather take meds and stay on the weight loss/gain rollercoaster then try something out of your comfort zone then that is on you. I believe i could have you lose fat and regain your health if you would just listen and try.
                          WTF is that supposed to mean? She is not at goal weight and not in perfect health? Well, news flash, neither was I when I started. I was 210lbs and just recovering from chemo with all of the thyroid derangement that goes with that.

                          I have fixed my health and lost the weight doing this and Ayla can too.

                          And FYI, she is not, as of now, taking the meds and she is losing weight, slowly but surely. Step the @@@@ off!

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                          • Originally posted by Zach View Post
                            You didnt agree to stop following me around...

                            Your right i dont know you, but i know a heck of a lot about your health since you post so many threads about it. You have no idea what i would have you do. If you ever want to know, PM me.
                            I already asked you to do that. You never did.
                            So you wouldn't tell me to eat more sugar?

                            Why wont you post here then, I would actually love to know? I swear you have posted about eating more sugar, but please correct me if I am wrong.

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                            • Originally posted by Zach View Post
                              Get over yourself. I posted that for everyone. Its way to easy to get you riled, the stresz cannot be good for your health.
                              You said in the thread you posted it for me, I quoted you.

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                              • Originally posted by Paleobird View Post
                                WTF is that supposed to mean? She is not at goal weight and not in perfect health? Well, news flash, neither was I when I started. I was 210lbs and just recovering from chemo with all of the thyroid derangement that goes with that.

                                I have fixed my health and lost the weight doing this and Ayla can too.

                                And FYI, she is not, as of now, taking the meds and she is losing weight, slowly but surely. Step the @@@@ off!
                                Thanks PB, I appreciate it.

                                And remember Zach yes my insulin is high but not the average sugar over 3 months (can't remember the name of the test). Both together would indicate diabetes. But from the reading ive been doing just now on physiological insulin resistance, that is what happens, high insulin but normal avg sugars. My glucose on the day of the test was slightly higher. When ive been testing at home this week, my sugars have been mostly in the normal range, but the odd high one when ive tested it out by eating more fruit.

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