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    I said I'd post my test results and here they are. Everythng was in the normal range (Chloride a little low) except Cholesterol. It has always been very high. So here's todays and the past results. I can make almost nothing of this. I have all the rest of the data if anyone is interested. I don't 'remember what the "other cholerterol drugs" were, but 2 have been removed from the 'safe' list.
    I've read a number of the research studies on cholesterol and question their conclusions. One I read today was from a large population, but that population was entirely 'heavy smokers'. Is that a study of a normal population? And then there were no conclusions at all about smoking, only about cholesterol.

    2/12/2013 – on PB 3 months, nothing else
    CHOLESTEROL 333 <200

    10/29/2012 – on Zetia and Niacin
    CHOLESTEROL 326 <200

    3/27/2012 – on Niacin
    CHOLESTEROL 329 <200

    2/03/2012 – on ‘other cholesterol drugs + niacin, Jenny Craig
    CHOLESTEROL 273 <200

    10/27/2011 – on a statin + zetia, Jenny Craig
    CHOLESTEROL 222 <200

    7/13/2011 – on a statin, Jenny Craig
    CHOLESTEROL 292 <200

    09/20/2010 – on ‘other cholesterol drugs + niacin, Jenny Craig
    CHOLESTEROL 342 <200

    07/05/2010- on a statin, Jenny Craig
    CHOLESTEROL 209 <200

    04/08/2010– on a statin, Jenny Craig
    CHOLESTEROL 210 <200

    11/25/2009– on a statin
    CHOLESTEROL 275 <200

    02/18/2009– on a statin
    CHOLESTEROL 208 <200

    03/10/2003 – on nothing
    CHOLESTEROL 535 <200

    Every test on a statin was on a different statin. It took time to prove that I'm allergic to them all. I'm thoroughly frustrated with this. I'm promising myself I'll never think about it again, no matter what any doctor says. I sure hope I can succeed with this promise, because the doctors are on me like glue.

    Can anyone draw any conclusions or even ideas from this.
    "When the search for truth is confused with political advocacy, the pursuit of knowledge is reduced to the quest for power." - Alston Chase

  • #2
    Are you exercising a ton? What about "megadosing" apples and other foods that lower cholesterol?
    Crohn's, doing SCD

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Knifegill View Post
      Are you exercising a ton? What about "megadosing" apples and other foods that lower cholesterol?
      No, i'm exercizing very little. But I'm starting now to increase the time and amount.
      I didn't know apples lower cholesterol. What other foods do? I'll surely do that, give it a try.

      Yesterday I was really bummed out, I guess I was hoping for a miracle. Today I feel better in general and about this. I could look at the results as saying that PB is as good as anything non-statin, and has every chance of continuing improvement.
      Last edited by Cryptocode; 02-14-2013, 11:22 AM.
      "When the search for truth is confused with political advocacy, the pursuit of knowledge is reduced to the quest for power." - Alston Chase

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      • #4
        What are the breakdowns of HDL, Trigs, LDL (a and b, if poss.)? TC per se is not a great predictor of much of anything.

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        • #5
          Are you male or female, and what is your trig/HDL/LDL ratios?

          Have you read the primer in my sig?
          Disclaimer: I eat 'meat and vegetables' ala Primal, although I don't agree with the carb curve. I like Perfect Health Diet and WAPF Lactofermentation a lot.

          Griff's cholesterol primer
          5,000 Cal Fat <> 5,000 Cal Carbs
          Winterbike: What I eat every day is what other people eat to treat themselves.
          TQP: I find for me that nutrition is much more important than what I do in the gym.
          bloodorchid is always right

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          • #6
            Cryptocode, total cholesterol is a nearly meaningless lab value by itself. It's been shown repeatedly in the literature that total cholesterol is a poor predictor of cardiovascular health. As another poster above said, please post your breakdown of HDL, LDL, and TG if you have them.

            The one exception is if your cholesterol is in the 1000s (usually due to a congenital enzyme abnormality).

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            • #7
              Yeah, there's usually no reason at all to lower your cholesterol. I just thought you were feeling crafty. Like a "How can I make the whites of my eyes whiter" and "train your cat to jump through a hoop" sort of rainy-day thing. I mean, it would be fun to lower your cholesterol, like learning to weave baskets. But no, it will not make you any healthier.
              Crohn's, doing SCD

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Knifegill View Post
                Yeah, there's usually no reason at all to lower your cholesterol. I just thought you were feeling crafty. Like a "How can I make the whites of my eyes whiter" and "train your cat to jump through a hoop" sort of rainy-day thing. I mean, it would be fun to lower your cholesterol, like learning to weave baskets. But no, it will not make you any healthier.
                That's not entirely true, but mainstream thinking on cholesterol is so wrong that what you have said is far more correct.
                Disclaimer: I eat 'meat and vegetables' ala Primal, although I don't agree with the carb curve. I like Perfect Health Diet and WAPF Lactofermentation a lot.

                Griff's cholesterol primer
                5,000 Cal Fat <> 5,000 Cal Carbs
                Winterbike: What I eat every day is what other people eat to treat themselves.
                TQP: I find for me that nutrition is much more important than what I do in the gym.
                bloodorchid is always right

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                • #9
                  Also, are you losing weight? Burning fat can cause your chol level to go up for a while.

                  I'm guessing if you are three months in and your levels are about the same +/- 3% as on the drugs, you're still doing okay.

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                  • #10
                    Have you had your thyroid checked? Start tracking your morning temperature. If it is below 97, you are hypothyroid, which is likely the cause of your cholesterol issues.
                    Cholesterol, longevity, intelligence, and health.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by fiercehunter View Post
                      Have you had your thyroid checked? Start tracking your morning temperature. If it is below 97, you are hypothyroid, which is likely the cause of your cholesterol issues.
                      Cholesterol, longevity, intelligence, and health.
                      Yep. The upshot is that you should take Iodine and Selenium and avoid VLC to boost your thyroid.
                      Disclaimer: I eat 'meat and vegetables' ala Primal, although I don't agree with the carb curve. I like Perfect Health Diet and WAPF Lactofermentation a lot.

                      Griff's cholesterol primer
                      5,000 Cal Fat <> 5,000 Cal Carbs
                      Winterbike: What I eat every day is what other people eat to treat themselves.
                      TQP: I find for me that nutrition is much more important than what I do in the gym.
                      bloodorchid is always right

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                      • #12
                        I had an Indian boss who told me high cholesterol ran in his family, and so he had to go to extreme measures to bring it down. He was on a vegetarian diet with lots of self-imposed restrictions. He was sick a lot, and ended up in the hospital on a regular basis. He told me it was killing off his family. I asked at what age, and he said, "In their 70s." That sounds within the margin of error to me.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by magicmerl View Post
                          Are you male or female, and what is your trig/HDL/LDL ratios?

                          Have you read the primer in my sig?
                          Yes, I've read Griff's papers on Cholesterol, several times. I understand about the platlett size. However about 4 days before my test Mark's blog discussed that none of the tests for determining platlett size were reliable, so I decided not to ask for one. I'm female.

                          This week / previous test
                          CHOLESTEROL 333 / 326
                          TRIGLYCERIDE 118 / 129
                          HDL 64 / 54
                          LDL CALCULATED 245 / 246
                          CHOLESTEROL/HIGH DENSITY LIPOPROTEIN 5.2 / 6.0

                          Thyroid Stimulating Hormone
                          TSH 1.44 Healthy Range 0.35 - 4.00 uIU/mL

                          Thyroid is fine. My body has always pumped out a lot of cholersterol, so did my parents and their parents. But I have hope that PB will continue to lower it. We'll find out in another 3 months.

                          So - this morning I've had a phone call from Kaiser's Cholesterol Center. They've seen my test results and they're preparing for another assault. I do hate to tell a doctor to go to h**l, but I'll try to do it nicely. After all, I've done everything they're told me for all these years and it has resulted in nothing but misery, pain, and trouble.
                          Last edited by Cryptocode; 02-14-2013, 09:10 PM.
                          "When the search for truth is confused with political advocacy, the pursuit of knowledge is reduced to the quest for power." - Alston Chase

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by eKatherine View Post
                            I had an Indian boss who told me high cholesterol ran in his family, and so he had to go to extreme measures to bring it down. He was on a vegetarian diet with lots of self-imposed restrictions. He was sick a lot, and ended up in the hospital on a regular basis. He told me it was killing off his family. I asked at what age, and he said, "In their 70s." That sounds within the margin of error to me.
                            Thank you I think. Is this supposed to be encouraging or discouraging? At least i'm not on a vegetarian diet. (I'm 75)
                            Last edited by Cryptocode; 02-14-2013, 09:10 PM.
                            "When the search for truth is confused with political advocacy, the pursuit of knowledge is reduced to the quest for power." - Alston Chase

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by jfreaksho View Post
                              Also, are you losing weight? Burning fat can cause your chol level to go up for a while.

                              I'm guessing if you are three months in and your levels are about the same +/- 3% as on the drugs, you're still doing okay.
                              That's what I'm hoping. I lost weight the first month, 14 lbs. The next 2 months I gained back 4 lbs. So no, I'm not loosing weight, nor am I trying to.
                              Last edited by Cryptocode; 02-14-2013, 08:58 PM.
                              "When the search for truth is confused with political advocacy, the pursuit of knowledge is reduced to the quest for power." - Alston Chase

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