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  • Is there a conspiracy behind the vegan agenda? Just a thought

    I'm just throwing this out there, even though it might be totally crazy. I wanted to bounce it off you guys and see what you thought.

    I was thinking recently, why is there a vegan agenda. Why are they so hell-bent against meat, why do they want to push so hard for people to convert, by putting out books and documentaries? I'm wondering if there's any weight to this: is it possible that Monsanto is somehow involved, and wants to put meat out of business so that there's more land available for soybean crops instead of livestock? I mean, what a perfect win for them, right? Everyone gets scared of meat and goes vegetarian or vegan, and soon we're all eating soy-based crap.

    If not that, then why? Why are there people pushing the vegan agenda so hard? What's in it for them?

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    Vegans get sick faster, then buy more meds. They buy lots of soy "food" and get sick quicker and buy more meds. Also It drains your energy so you dont have the oomph to be political and activist like. They support Veganism so that the young and impressionable idjits get all wound in and run down so that the companies can do as they please without interference from the young activists types.

    makes sense to me.
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    • #3
      I'm not sure if that would make sense. An animal has to eat a lot of grain to produce each pound of meat. Since Monsanto makes the money no matter who eats the grain, I would think that they make more if the animals eat it.

      Which doesn't mean Monsanto isn't involved in a conspiracy.....

      Stanford Magazine - Can Vegetarianism Save the World? Nitty-gritty - January/February 2010 states that it takes 20 lbs of grain/corn to produce a pound of edible meat.

      Meat Production Wastes Natural Resources | PETA.org states that it takes 13 lbs of grain/corn to produce a pound of beef.
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      • #4
        Why does anybody need a reason for an ideology?
        Disclaimer: I eat 'meat and vegetables' ala Primal, although I don't agree with the carb curve. I like Perfect Health Diet and WAPF Lactofermentation a lot.

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        • #5
          Except monsanto seeds grow feed for livestock.

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          • #6
            Because reason allows us to base an ideology on fact instead of fancy?

            M.

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            • #7
              I think vegans are are a very similar group to us. They believe that they have found the answer to eating towards better health. Just as we try to enlighten our friends, family, and co workers so do they.

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              • #8
                There's nothing more rewarding than believing that you're a better person than everyone else.

                Veganism is mostly a statement by your ego, rather than a personal thing.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by MEversbergII View Post
                  Because reason allows us to base an ideology on fact instead of fancy?
                  As if most people really care about that when it comes to their ideology! ;-)



                  Anyway, no, I don't think there's a conspiracy.
                  It's actually funny how much we have in common with vegans.
                  And this discussion is yet another example of one of those things! I've seen discussions on vegan blogs from people who think the Paleo/Primal movement is a conspiracy perpetuated by the meat and dairy industry, and that we're either shills of those industries or just gullible people who like the excuse to eat meat and tell ourselves we're being healthy.
                  Vegans also generally hate GMOs and factory farming practices just as much as any good caveman or woman.
                  One of my favorite food blogs is by a vegan who makes healthy desserts and many of them are actually Primal friendly as well because she often uses dark chocolate, cocanut oil, stevia, fruits and vegetables for colorings. Chocolate Coverd Katie, if anyone is interested.
                  In my quest to educate myself about sprouting, I've found many helpful YouTube videos...all made by raw vegans.

                  The point of contention really is just meat and the fact that you have to kill animals to get it. For many vegans the main reason they choose veganism is ethical issues. Health and environmental issues are more secondary, but if you're a believer that killing animals is wrong it's even better to believe that your moral choice is also the healthiest. Plus, for animal activist groups like PETA, the political realization that they'll reach more people by expanding their message beyond just 'meat is murder.'

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                  • #10
                    That's even more ridiculous than saying that paleo is just a conspiracy by the meat industry

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                    • #11
                      Please. I got plenty of people giving me a hard time when I was vegetarian. I got teased and mocked and people were dangling chicken and eating it in my face. Everything goes both ways. If you make a stand, you will always see the other side as a conspiracy against you. It's paranoia.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by magicmerl View Post
                        Why does anybody need a reason for an ideology?
                        THIS.
                        Think of veganism as a religion. Some vegans may think they're eating the healthiest diet available, but I don't think any went vegan JUST for the health aspect. The most important reason for going vegan is ethical: do not hurt animals. A vegan can be incredibly unhealthy, KNOW their poor health is down to their unnatural diet and would rather use an artificial supplement than risk harming an animal. Almost every one of them is of the philosophy that "humans and animals are equal, but humans are thinking animals who can make supplements, so we shouldn't hurt other animals".
                        Some are happy to have their belief and follow it on their own, some think they're as healthy as it gets, some think they aren't 100% healthy, but that they've found the "happy middle-ground" between health and ethics, some supplement, some do not, some may want to talk to you about it, in case you're interested. Most vegans are courteous and respectful and, when told you aren't interested, back down. But there are some fringe lunatics who, like any religious zealot, want to "prove" that their way is the only way and "convert" all us "sinners". Just as enough demand can get evolution taught as "just a theory" in some creationist Christian communities, enough vegans in medicine (or just lobbying or funding) can get studies published saying veganism is the only natural way for humans to live.

                        And, like any religion: if you're not interested, ignore them.
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                        • #13
                          I agree with this. Vegans are a bit more "religious" about their diet than we are - its to save the poor animals!!!

                          Of course, we love animals too - its just that we love to EAT them...
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by s-piper View Post
                            As if most people really care about that when it comes to their ideology! ;-)
                            And that is why they suck.

                            Why do you do X? Just because.

                            M.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by CaptSaltyJack View Post
                              I'm just throwing this out there, even though it might be totally crazy. I wanted to bounce it off you guys and see what you thought.

                              I was thinking recently, why is there a vegan agenda. Why are they so hell-bent against meat, why do they want to push so hard for people to convert, by putting out books and documentaries? I'm wondering if there's any weight to this: is it possible that Monsanto is somehow involved, and wants to put meat out of business so that there's more land available for soybean crops instead of livestock? I mean, what a perfect win for them, right? Everyone gets scared of meat and goes vegetarian or vegan, and soon we're all eating soy-based crap.

                              If not that, then why? Why are there people pushing the vegan agenda so hard? What's in it for them?
                              Monsanto's biggest customers are livestock. Soy, Corn and Alfalfa are huge in the livestock feed industry and why they went after those.

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