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  • Is This A Good Way To Lose Fat?

    So let's say I get the right amount of protein and carbs. Should I lower my fat intake so that my body will need energy, and take it from my fat stores - rather than use the fats I ingest?

    Also, would this work if I wanted to build muscle and lose fat?

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    If you want to build muscle then you will need a calorie excess and to lose fat then you'll need a calorie deficit. Trying to do both simultaneously is liable to lead to a failure on both counts.

    That said I do favor the leangains approach and tailoring your fat intake to your caloric needs is a good idea as long as no attempt at total fat elimination is made. Some fat is a good thing so that you can get your fat soluble vitamins. Excess fat beyond your calorie can and will be stored however as fat.
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    • #3
      Originally posted by dimples View Post
      So let's say I get the right amount of protein and carbs. Should I lower my fat intake so that my body will need energy, and take it from my fat stores - rather than use the fats I ingest?

      Also, would this work if I wanted to build muscle and lose fat?
      You should anyway not go below 20 % of fat on total calorie intake since it would lower your testosterone and increase muscle loss. A few feople can gain some muscle in a calorie deficit, those are usually beginners and people that start out after a lay-off...
      "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident."

      - Schopenhauer

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      • #4
        Read the book......

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        • #5
          If you get the right amounts of protein and carbs and go very low fat, you'll be starving. It might actually be counterproductive.

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          • #6
            Read the book.

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            • #7
              Book, read the
              The Champagne of Beards

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              • #8
                Originally posted by dimples View Post
                So let's say I get the right amount of protein and carbs. Should I lower my fat intake so that my body will need energy, and take it from my fat stores - rather than use the fats I ingest?

                Also, would this work if I wanted to build muscle and lose fat?
                The Blog of Michael R. Eades, M.D.Low-carb and calories Ľ The Blog of Michael R. Eades, M.D.
                Letís look at what happens when we cut carbohydrates in the diet. First, we donít get enough carbs to replenish our blood sugar, so the body has to convert protein to glucose to make up the difference. The signal to do this comes from a rising level of glucagon, a hormone made in and released by the pancreas. In order for glucagon to do its job, the level of insulin in the blood has to go down, which it does. A low level of insulin and a high level of glucagon send a signal to the fat cells telling them to release their fat. You can think of it as opening the doors to the fat cells so that fat can easily get out. The body burns this fat for energy. As the body burns more, the fat cells release more. When the fat cells dump their fat, they become smaller. When your fat cells or adipose tissue becomes smaller, you become smaller. And you lose weight. Which is how itís supposed to work.

                But there is a little glitch in all of this.

                Although the lowered insulin and elevated glucagon open the doors to the fat cells allowing fat to come out to be burned, the fat comes out only if itís needed. If you are meeting all your bodyís energy needs with the food you eat, the body doesnít need the fat in the fat cells. On a low-carb diet your body burns fat for energy. But it doesnít care where this fat comes from; it can come from the diet or it can come from the fat cells or it can come from both. If you are consuming enough fat to meet all your bodyís requirements, your body wonít go after the fat in the fat cells no matter how severely you restrict your carbs. You will burn dietary fat only and no body fat. And you wonít lose weight. Itís that simple.
                Last edited by sbhikes; 02-08-2013, 06:48 PM.
                Female, 5'3", 50, Max squat: 202.5lbs. Max deadlift: 225 x 3.

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                • #9
                  I dunno about Daemonized and sbhikes thoughts/opinions; I prefer Mark's:

                  "Fats have little or no impact on insulin and, as a result, promote the burning of both dietary and stored (adipose) fat as fuel."
                  The above is part of his The Definitive Guide to Primal Eating Plan.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Cal. View Post
                    I dunno about Daemonized and sbhikes thoughts/opinions; I prefer Mark's:



                    The above is part of his The Definitive Guide to Primal Eating Plan.
                    That actually agrees with sbhikes' Dr. Eades quote.
                    The Champagne of Beards

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by RichMahogany View Post
                      That actually agrees with sbhikes' Dr. Eades quote.
                      Dr. Eades quote:
                      "If you are consuming enough fat to meet all your bodyís requirements, your body wonít go after the fat in the fat cells no matter how severely you restrict your carbs. You will burn dietary fat only and no body fat. And you wonít lose weight. Itís that simple."

                      Mark's quote:
                      "Fats have little or no impact on insulin and, as a result, promote the burning of both dietary and stored (adipose) fat as fuel."

                      They read different to me RichMahogany. Mind you, it's 3am here and I'm a little tired.

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                      • #12
                        Easy enough to reconcile. I see what you're getting at.

                        In a situation where your body is burning fat for fuel, it doesn't "care" where that fat comes from.

                        Yeah, if you eat a billion grams of fat, you'll be in fat burning mode but still store fat. But what's more common is that your satiety signaling will tell you you've had enough, and you'll burn the fat you eat plus get the extra energy from your body's energy storage system, the adipose tissue.

                        They aren't disagreeing. Yes, you can eat so much fat that you don't use any of your stored fat. But it isn't particularly easy to do in most cases. Make sense?
                        The Champagne of Beards

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                        • #13
                          How can you be in a fat burning mode and still store fat? That sounds very counter-intuitive.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by dimples View Post
                            How can you be in a fat burning mode and still store fat? That sounds very counter-intuitive.
                            First is first......have you finished reading the book?

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by dimples View Post
                              How can you be in a fat burning mode and still store fat? That sounds very counter-intuitive.
                              I'm new to PB so I could be misunderstanding, but I interpret the previous poster's comment to mean that just because you're in fat burning mode doesn't mean you're burning your stored body fat. If you're taking in too much dietary fat, then your body will simply burn that dietary fat for energy and continue storing any excess dietary fat, if any, that it doesn't burn. You are in fat burning mode, but you're not in stored body fat burning mode, you're essentially in dietary fat burning mode.

                              And btw, telling someone to "read the book" over and over isn't much help. Sisson's book came after his blog, remember. Just because someone came upon this free blog and forum and took an interest in the nutrition information doesn't mean they're mandated to pay $13 and "read the book" before they're allowed to ask any questions of other primal eaters.
                              Last edited by Grokkette; 02-09-2013, 02:08 AM.

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