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  • Breaking Conventional Wisdom

    Hello All,
    I am so happy to have found this lifestyle and this wealth of knowledge that MDA provides. The most difficult time I am having is NOT believing that Saturated Fat is Bad...Cholesterol is Bad... and that Whole Grains are good. I guess this is like believing that the Earth was flat, then being told it was round.

    I am 38 years old, 306 pounds, and my entire life I have struggled with my weight. I have also been told, and believed that the Earth was flat, so I am struggling with the comprehension that I should be eating more meat and less wheat. Grok is telling me that the Earth is indeed round. I am trying to undue 38 years of "knowledge"

    The problem is that I cant seem to wrap my head around it. Its like trying to feed myself with my left hand now. I have been tracking my intake and I am horrified to read daily numbers like 125 grams of fat! 40 grams of Saturated fat!! A Paltry 70 Net Carbs, and 150 grams of Protein. That is STILL under 2200 calories a day. I mean, my usual diet generally put me at around 3200-3500 a Day. There is no way I could hit 3500 calories without Pizza, my beloved M&Ms, and Bagels.

    However, I have been so predisposed to the "Fat is Bad" theory that I worry that I may drop dead by Saturday morning at this rate. I do feel a little better. And my nasty addiction to Chocolate has been pretty tamed. But I am still worried. I mean, 1000mg of Cholesterol consumed in 1 day? That's insane right? Or is it?
    Last edited by BigBipper; 02-07-2013, 01:04 PM.
    Get busy Groking or get busy dying. That's damn right!

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    Yes, it is difficult to leave the crowd and their science. After all, we've been taught just that, and that the crowd is correct, all our lives. BUT - your weight should be proof that it's not working. In another 30 years, with no change, you'll have a whole lot more proof, and many other serious problems, that it doen't work.

    Buy that pound of pastured butter, open it on the counter, grit your teeth, and cook some eggs in it. And some bacon. It will take 2 - 3 days of great meals likt this that you'll love to eat, to get over the CW.

    And most important, follow the workout plans. PB won't work without exercise.
    "When the search for truth is confused with political advocacy, the pursuit of knowledge is reduced to the quest for power." - Alston Chase

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    • #3
      How long have you been Primal? Have you had any signs of carb flu?

      And you have a great avatar.

      By the way, Primal will work without doing exercise, at least it did for me. Not sure the OP should be working out at this weight. Just walk around a little bit.
      5'0" female, 45 years old. Started Primal October 31, 2011, at a skinny fat 111.5 lbs. Low weight: 99.5 lb on a fast. Gained back to 115(!) on SAD chocolate, potato chips, and stress. Currently 111.

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      • #4
        Keep hanging around here, but stick to the positive posts, not the ones where we argue about stupid all-potato diets and crap. You'll start seeing the bad guys and the good guys very differently. Realize that those hearthealthywholegrains make you sick and fat, that the healthy PUFA's are actually poisons to your system, and that your grandma or great-grandma ate butter from grass-fed cows and knew intuituvely that margarine was an abomination when it hit the market.

        You'll be fine. Stick it out. Trade the bagel for bacon & eggs. Good luck.
        The Champagne of Beards

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        • #5
          Even my doctor admits that saturated fat from meat increases HDL, the good cholesterol.

          If you look at the correlation between when the USDA started telling us to eat like farm animals (lots of grain to fatten us up) instead of hunting animals (who are always lean) and the obesity epidemic in America, you'll see that this style of eating is good. That said, the foods in PB have much better O6:O3 ratios than conventional food because wild meat and grass fed meat is healthier. If you're truly concerned about saturated fats, eat more fish and seafood. The thing I love about PB is how customizable it is while sticking to the basic premise.
          High Weight: 225
          Weight at start of Primal: 189
          Current Weight: 174
          Goal Weight: 130

          Primal Start Date: 11/26/2012

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          • #6
            I am 38 years old, 306 pounds, and my entire life I have struggled with my weight. I have also been told, and believed that the Earth was flat, so I am struggling with the comprehension that I should be eating more meat and less wheat.
            If you are 306 lbs, how's that working for ya? Not for nothing, but trading meat for wheat and sugar has created a bunch of obese diabetics. You have NOTHING TO LOSE by trying primal. Except weight.

            You don't have to be eating bacon and fatty ground beef 3 times a day. Mix it up, try chicken, eat your veggies, eat fish. Throw in some fruit, sweet potatoes.

            If you're truly concerned about saturated fats, eat more fish and seafood. The thing I love about PB is how customizable it is while sticking to the basic premise.
            ^ and she makes a great point. You can eat less fat if you want to. Play around with it. Mix it up.

            http://maggiesfeast.wordpress.com/
            Check out my blog. Hope to share lots of great recipes and ideas!

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            • #7
              Originally posted by magnolia1973 View Post
              ^ and she makes a great point. You can eat less fat if you want to. Play around with it. Mix it up.
              My only caveat to this is that if beginners don't eat enough fat, they don't feel full and they are more likely to fill in the gap with carbs, or with the dreaded nuts, nut butters, and dairy. That only slows the process. I know it's a tough thought, but IMO it's better to OD on beef and pork fat to avoid going over the carb limit, especially in the beginning. [this is just my opinion, but I'm follower of the whole fat-burner/sugar-burner hypothesis.]
              5'0" female, 45 years old. Started Primal October 31, 2011, at a skinny fat 111.5 lbs. Low weight: 99.5 lb on a fast. Gained back to 115(!) on SAD chocolate, potato chips, and stress. Currently 111.

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              • #8
                Man, I do love some bacon and eggs. Always lived in fear of eating the stuff in front of people. But they had not problems with me eating an 80 gram Carb Multigrain bagel and bowl of brown rice.

                Thank you, Cryptocode. All I know is what I have been doing for 38 years is not working. I am on blood pressure meds, pre-diabetic, and have sleep apnea. Maybe 38 years was all the case-study I needed?
                Get busy Groking or get busy dying. That's damn right!

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by EagleRiverDee View Post
                  Even my doctor admits that saturated fat from meat increases HDL, the good cholesterol.
                  If you're truly concerned about saturated fats, eat more fish and seafood. The thing I love about PB is how customizable it is while sticking to the basic premise.
                  Thank you, Eagle...the fact that so many of you replied SO fast lets me know I am in a good place. The good thing is that I am Italian and a pre requisite to being a Paesan is having to like fish. I did always eat the seafood over the macaroni.
                  Get busy Groking or get busy dying. That's damn right!

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by magnolia1973 View Post
                    If you are 306 lbs, how's that working for ya? Not for nothing, but trading meat for wheat and sugar has created a bunch of obese diabetics. You have NOTHING TO LOSE by trying primal. Except weight.
                    You may have nailed it right there, Maggie. I have a 38 year case study to fall back on.

                    AMERICAN DIET FULL OF CARBS AND LOWER FAT: EPIC FAIL
                    Get busy Groking or get busy dying. That's damn right!

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                    • #11
                      In addition to the good comments above, I'd add that grains are what farmers feed cows to fatten them up quickly. Grass-fed cows take longer to fatten and usually don't get as large. Grains are cheap and nutritionally worthless filler food, and even "whole grains" are usually refined to the point that they are basically the equivalent to a giant dose of sugar to your system.

                      Avoid processed foods. They are the mega-whammy of grains, sugars, and industrial oils. The longer you stay Primal, the clearer this becomes. You will eventually see all your old food choices as having disturbing consequences to health - not only weight, per se, but to all aspects of health.

                      Your body uses all sorts of fats, the polyunsaturated fats in nuts and fishes, the saturated fats in red meat, the monounsaturated fats in olive oil. Fats are usually delivered in some combination of the three, as in the case of lard, about 45% saturated and 55% unsaturated (oleic acid, just like olive oil). Ditch the tired metaphors of "artery-clogging saturated fats." Your arteries are not toilets, and bacon is not a bowl-clogger. Think of fats as a spectrum of stability, with saturated fats the MOST stable against rancidity and oxidation, monounsaturated being very stable, and polyunsaturated ("healthy") fats as being very unstable, almost as bad as trans-fats. (Polyunsaturated fats - PUFAs - are more stable in whole food sources like fish and nuts, but nuts go rancid easily, and fish will turn fishy if not used quickly.) Why are PUFAs (soy, vegetable, corn, canola oils) pushed so hard? Because they return giant profits. How much profit does my local farmer get from selling me some nice lard, as opposed to what Wesson makes off of vegetable oil?

                      Refined sugar, high fructose corn syrup (HFCS), agave nectar, all these are just pushed onto you mercilessly. We're kids in a candy store to food manufacturers. Avoid at all costs. Again, cheap food = big profits. Grain is cheap. Industrial oils are cheap. Sugar and HFCS is cheap.

                      Eat quality foods. Whenever possible remember that there is also a spectrum of whole foods, where grass-fed beef and pastured pork and chicken is better than industrially-raised, and locally-grown produce using organic and sustainable methods may result in more nutritious produce.

                      See past the advertising, the cascade error of CW repeated numbingly, question and question some more. Eat well, play often, and enjoy.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by oxide View Post
                        How long have you been Primal? Have you had any signs of carb flu?

                        And you have a great avatar.

                        By the way, Primal will work without doing exercise, at least it did for me. Not sure the OP should be working out at this weight. Just walk around a little bit.
                        Hello, Oxide....
                        I have been reading about Paleo since about October...I started about 3 weeks ago, but am really starting to hit my stride now. Regarding the Carb Flu? I am assuming that is withdrawal? If so, then yes. Felt like crap. Also dealing/dealt with M&M withdrawal...yes, I think it should be an actually clinical diagnosis. Sweets were such a big part of my life. Chocolate...lots of it.

                        Thank you...like Bacon...the Beatles always make it better!!
                        Get busy Groking or get busy dying. That's damn right!

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                        • #13
                          Hi, BigBipper. This is a great place for you to start your journey. The support here is awesome and you are doing the right thing.

                          Funny, I think of the same thing as Finnegans Wake - cows are always the association when I'm presented with grains. I remember I was having dinner with friends one night in Seattle, and one of them, a chef, was examining the menu. One of the dishes had sprouted barley on it. He looks up with this glint in his eye and says, "mm, fodder". This man does magic with all things porcine. I digress - AGREED with all that's said above. Wholeheartedly. Eat real food, avoid chemicals, keep at it, because you have nothing to lose at this point except for weight.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by RichMahogany View Post
                            Keep hanging around here, but stick to the positive posts, not the ones where we argue about stupid all-potato diets and crap. You'll start seeing the bad guys and the good guys very differently. Realize that those hearthealthywholegrains make you sick and fat, that the healthy PUFA's are actually poisons to your system, and that your grandma or great-grandma ate butter from grass-fed cows and knew intuituvely that margarine was an abomination when it hit the market.
                            You'll be fine. Stick it out. Trade the bagel for bacon & eggs. Good luck.
                            Rich...it is so funny what you say about Grandma and Margarine. My Nanny did every thing in butter. She would fry veal with just peppers and Garlic slices in it. She so rarely used Veggie Oil on anything. Her baking was always butter based.

                            Funny thing is, that her mother, my great-grandmother, always had an apron on. In that apron were always a stick of Soppressata (Italian Dry Salami) and a hunk of Provolone that was so sharp that it made your tongue bleed. She gnawed on these things all day long. Do you know that woman lived to 103 years old?
                            Huh, my grandma Chicki was doing Atkins before anyone. :-)

                            If it was good for her, guess it is good for me.
                            Get busy Groking or get busy dying. That's damn right!

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Finnegans Wake View Post
                              In addition to the good comments above, I'd add that grains are what farmers feed cows to fatten them up quickly. Grass-fed cows take longer to fatten and usually don't get as large. Grains are cheap and nutritionally worthless filler food, and even "whole grains" are usually refined to the point that they are basically the equivalent to a giant dose of sugar to your system.

                              Avoid processed foods. They are the mega-whammy of grains, sugars, and industrial oils. The longer you stay Primal, the clearer this becomes. You will eventually see all your old food choices as having disturbing consequences to health - not only weight, per se, but to all aspects of health.

                              Your body uses all sorts of fats, the polyunsaturated fats in nuts and fishes, the saturated fats in red meat, the monounsaturated fats in olive oil. Fats are usually delivered in some combination of the three, as in the case of lard, about 45% saturated and 55% unsaturated (oleic acid, just like olive oil). Ditch the tired metaphors of "artery-clogging saturated fats." Your arteries are not toilets, and bacon is not a bowl-clogger. Think of fats as a spectrum of stability, with saturated fats the MOST stable against rancidity and oxidation, monounsaturated being very stable, and polyunsaturated ("healthy") fats as being very unstable, almost as bad as trans-fats. (Polyunsaturated fats - PUFAs - are more stable in whole food sources like fish and nuts, but nuts go rancid easily, and fish will turn fishy if not used quickly.) Why are PUFAs (soy, vegetable, corn, canola oils) pushed so hard? Because they return giant profits. How much profit does my local farmer get from selling me some nice lard, as opposed to what Wesson makes off of vegetable oil?

                              Refined sugar, high fructose corn syrup (HFCS), agave nectar, all these are just pushed onto you mercilessly. We're kids in a candy store to food manufacturers. Avoid at all costs. Again, cheap food = big profits. Grain is cheap. Industrial oils are cheap. Sugar and HFCS is cheap.

                              Eat quality foods. Whenever possible remember that there is also a spectrum of whole foods, where grass-fed beef and pastured pork and chicken is better than industrially-raised, and locally-grown produce using organic and sustainable methods may result in more nutritious produce.

                              See past the advertising, the cascade error of CW repeated numbingly, question and question some more. Eat well, play often, and enjoy.
                              There you go. Print this out and read it to yourself every morning, before every meal, every time you go to the bathroom, and several additional times/day.

                              Originally posted by BigBipper
                              Rich...it is so funny what you say about Grandma and Margarine. My Nanny did every thing in butter. She would fry veal with just peppers and Garlic slices in it. She so rarely used Veggie Oil on anything. Her baking was always butter based.

                              Funny thing is, that her mother, my great-grandmother, always had an apron on. In that apron were always a stick of Soppressata (Italian Dry Salami) and a hunk of Provolone that was so sharp that it made your tongue bleed. She gnawed on these things all day long. Do you know that woman lived to 103 years old?
                              Huh, my grandma Chicki was doing Atkins before anyone. :-)

                              If it was good for her, guess it is good for me.
                              There you go. When you feel doubt creeping in about the safety of sat fats and cholesterol, just think of grandma Chicki with her apron.
                              The Champagne of Beards

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