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  • #31
    Also, BigBipper, I mostly eat foods CW actually recommends. My shopping list is pretty short:

    Salmon, salmon and more salmon
    Vegetables
    Potatoes/sweet potatoes
    Eggs
    Red wine
    Raw almonds
    Gourmet cheese
    Gourmet chocolate
    Chicken
    A little Lamb and lean beef
    A very little bacon for seasoning
    A little fruit
    Avocados from our trees

    I just leave out a few things CW recommends. A slight oversight. But no need to slather the fat if you are concerned.

    With a diet like this you can be sure my HDL is pretty decent, my triglycerides are awesome and my total cholesterol would probably get me a lecture from my doctor. I just nod my head and ignore.
    Female, 5'3", 50, Max squat: 202.5lbs. Max deadlift: 225 x 3.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by Sandra in BC View Post
      And look where that "knowledge" got you after 38 years of blind belief. After all the crap you've been consuming you choose NOW to worry about cholesterol and fat numbers???

      Humans evolved and thrived from the beginning of time eating animal fat, and some fatty plants, depending on the region. Industrial seed oils didn't exist until 100 years ago. Canola and soy only since the 60s or 70s. Same with High Fructose Corn Syrup, or the damn omnipresent soy. Wrap your brain around that!

      Stop eating numbers, and start eating real food. Trust that your body know what to do with real food.

      And welcome by the way
      I guess I started to worry about cholesterol and fat number because I finally started to document consumption. Then when you compare those numbers to "blind belief", I worried.

      Stop eating numbers...you're damn right. Thanks again for the support. Happy to have found this place.
      Get busy Groking or get busy dying. That's damn right!

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      • #33
        I watched Fathead last week. What an a$$hole that Ancel Keyes guy was!
        Get busy Groking or get busy dying. That's damn right!

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        • #34
          Originally posted by BigBipper View Post
          I watched Fathead last week. What an a$$hole that Ancel Keyes guy was!
          A detailed read.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by Ayla2010 View Post
            Bigbipper good luck with it all.
            Do some reading on raw for dogs. Even commercial grain free food is not great for them, its cooked and processed. Dogs need raw meaty bones

            Raw Meaty Bones
            Thank you. One thing I have done well is take care of the dogs. I use Orijen Six Fish for the pups now. I eased them into the higher protein by using Taste of the Wilderness Salmon. It is amazing how shiny their coats are.
            Get busy Groking or get busy dying. That's damn right!

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            • #36
              Originally posted by sbhikes View Post
              Also, BigBipper, I mostly eat foods CW actually recommends. My shopping list is pretty short:

              Salmon, salmon and more salmon
              Vegetables
              Potatoes/sweet potatoes
              Eggs
              Red wine
              Raw almonds
              Gourmet cheese
              Gourmet chocolate
              Chicken
              A little Lamb and lean beef
              A very little bacon for seasoning
              A little fruit
              Avocados from our trees

              I just leave out a few things CW recommends. A slight oversight. But no need to slather the fat if you are concerned.

              With a diet like this you can be sure my HDL is pretty decent, my triglycerides are awesome and my total cholesterol would probably get me a lecture from my doctor. I just nod my head and ignore.
              WOW!! That list would make the FDA Food Pyramid collapse. I love just about everything in it. Especially the cheese. AND chocolate? What kind? How? Are all nuts created the same?
              Get busy Groking or get busy dying. That's damn right!

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              • #37
                You aren't the only one struggling with "break conventional wisdom." A primal co-worker and I discuss it a lot. I mean really, all you do is just STOP eating some stuff, right? Yet, along the way, you have to re-tool a lot more of your life than you think. For me, a trip to the grocery store is a revelation. For my co-worker, it was the realization why he exercised his life out, yet never went below a certain weight.

                Speaking of documentaries, you may like "King Corn." You can watch trailers and stuff here:

                King Corn | The Peabody-winning documentary from Mosaic Films Incorporated

                At the end, the filmmakers interview the "villain" of King Corn, former Secretary of Agriculture Earl Butz. One of the filmmakers wrote an article about the interview here:

                Meeting King Corn — Earl Butz was a product of his time :: by Curt Ellis :: Culinate
                5'0" female, 45 years old. Started Primal October 31, 2011, at a skinny fat 111.5 lbs. Low weight: 99.5 lb on a fast. Gained back to 115(!) on SAD chocolate, potato chips, and stress. Currently 111.

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                • #38
                  Dark chocolate, 85% cacao or higher. Lots of good ones available. Search the threads for recommendations...

                  Yeah, my shopping list looks similar to SB's.

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                  • #39
                    I know many of you are past the days of "Eating numbers". However, did you all have to start somewhere? Surely, you had a starting point and have tailor-made your lifestyle around that. To the point that you are most likely on auto pilot.

                    Could you suggest where a 38 year old, 306lb, 5'9", man who is currently lightly active could/should at least start as far as calorie intake? Fat/Protein/Carb breakdown?

                    Thanks again.
                    Get busy Groking or get busy dying. That's damn right!

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                    • #40
                      Yep, I try for the 85% chocolate or higher if I can.

                      Not sure why you think the food pyramid is on its head. I guess it is, but don't doctors recommend you eat fish and vegetables all the time? I don't eat many eggs, but doctors will tell you now that eggs are not a problem, the choline is healthy, and when pressed, most doctors will admit that dietary cholesterol doesn't really affect your blood cholesterol. But then they'll backslide and say some "better safe than sorry" bs.

                      As for nuts, I eat raw almonds because that's what I buy for my parrots. We always have them around. I eat gourmet cheese because it's tasty and if it's really stinky, harder to overeat.

                      Basically, I just eat all real, healthy foods, lots of fish, lean meat and vegetables. I don't eat fast food. I just don't do the whole grain thing. Any doctor should think I'm genius so long as I hide the part about not eating the grains and maybe leave out the lamb and pork.
                      Female, 5'3", 50, Max squat: 202.5lbs. Max deadlift: 225 x 3.

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by BigBipper View Post
                        I know many of you are past the days of "Eating numbers". However, did you all have to start somewhere? Surely, you had a starting point and have tailor-made your lifestyle around that. To the point that you are most likely on auto pilot.

                        Could you suggest where a 38 year old, 306lb, 5'9", man who is currently lightly active could/should at least start as far as calorie intake? Fat/Protein/Carb breakdown?

                        Thanks again.
                        You could just go with using your hands for portion size and see if that works for you. Here's an example:
                        Precision Nutrition Calorie Control Guide For Men and Women
                        Here's the tl;dr
                        For men:

                        2 palms of protein dense foods with each meal;
                        2 fists of vegetables with each meal;
                        2 cupped hands of carb dense foods if including extra carbs;
                        2 entire thumbs of fat dense foods if including extra fats.

                        For women:

                        1 palm of protein dense foods with each meal;
                        1 fist of vegetables with each meal;
                        1 cupped hand of carb dense foods if including extra carbs;
                        1 entire thumb of fat dense foods if including extra fats.
                        See if that works for you. Adjust as you go.
                        Female, 5'3", 50, Max squat: 202.5lbs. Max deadlift: 225 x 3.

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by Finnegans Wake View Post
                          Very interesting. I had taken for granted that Keys cherry-picked his data because he was so desperate to prove his hypothesis was correct. Leave it to the media (namely, Time Magazine) to make a god out of a scientist.

                          You can watch King Corn for free on Youtube
                          Yes, the real Dirk.

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by oxide View Post
                            You aren't the only one struggling with "break conventional wisdom." A primal co-worker and I discuss it a lot. I mean really, all you do is just STOP eating some stuff, right? Yet, along the way, you have to re-tool a lot more of your life than you think. For me, a trip to the grocery store is a revelation. For my co-worker, it was the realization why he exercised his life out, yet never went below a certain weight.

                            Speaking of documentaries, you may like "King Corn." You can watch trailers and stuff here:

                            King Corn | The Peabody-winning documentary from Mosaic Films Incorporated

                            At the end, the filmmakers interview the "villain" of King Corn, former Secretary of Agriculture Earl Butz. One of the filmmakers wrote an article about the interview here:

                            Meeting King Corn — Earl Butz was a product of his time :: by Curt Ellis :: Culinate
                            Thanks, Ox.

                            I went to the market last night and I felt like I had x ray vision glasses on. I mean, I saw the foods like I have never seen them before.

                            I watched "King Corn" a while back and was disgusted by what became of all those beautiful rows of corn....Hawaiian Punch...Lollipops....Candy Corn.

                            It was a great expose' on something I had no idea was happening.
                            Get busy Groking or get busy dying. That's damn right!

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                            • #44
                              The supermarket experience will become horrifying.

                              It literally skeeves me the hell out to see what people eat, and worse, what they feed their children.

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by BigBipper View Post
                                I know many of you are past the days of "Eating numbers". However, did you all have to start somewhere? Surely, you had a starting point and have tailor-made your lifestyle around that. To the point that you are most likely on auto pilot.

                                Could you suggest where a 38 year old, 306lb, 5'9", man who is currently lightly active could/should at least start as far as calorie intake? Fat/Protein/Carb breakdown?

                                Thanks again.
                                This seems like a good spot to point out something I've been thinking about. For all you calorie counters, how can you explain how I have lost 70-80 pounds in two-three months? I have done this about three times now. How did I do it? I did it eating low carb. Here is an honest example of my daily menu.
                                Breakfast: 3-4 eggs cooked in bacon fat,1/4-1/2lb sausage/bacon,2oz cheese,3tbsp salsa and half an avocado
                                Lunch: 10oz tuna, the other half of the avocado,3-4 cups salad/veggie, olive oil or mayo for dressing(3 tbsp avg.) and 1/2 cup shredded cheese
                                Dinner: 16-20oz beef,pork,chicken,etc., usually beef or pork(I always eat all the fat), 3-4 more cups of veg.,2-3 tbsp fat(butter,evoo or coconut oil
                                Snacks: 4-6oz nuts/peanuts, 2-4oz cheese(in addition to the cheese from breakfast and lunch)and 2-3 hard boiled eggs
                                Beverages: 80-100oz water, occasional liquor/sugar and calorie free mixer
                                I am a 5'8" male that gets moderate exercise. I have not done the math but I'm pretty sure I was carrying a calorie surplus as apposed to a deficit and still losing lots of weight. Taking the initial 10-15 pounds of water weight loss into account that is still 65-70lbs that I know was not water. Maybe I'm wrong. Who wants to volunteer to add up the calories? All I know is I lost weight eating a lot of food.
                                Last edited by whitebear; 02-08-2013, 01:57 PM.

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