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  • #16
    Originally posted by Finnegans Wake View Post
    In addition to the good comments above, I'd add that grains are what farmers feed cows to fatten them up quickly. Grass-fed cows take longer to fatten and usually don't get as large. Grains are cheap and nutritionally worthless filler food, and even "whole grains" are usually refined to the point that they are basically the equivalent to a giant dose of sugar to your system.
    Thanks for all the advice and insight, Finnegan. You guys really know your stuff and explain in a way that anyone can relate to. I totally appreciate you all taking the time to help me out. I'd hate to scare myself out of this and go back to eating "healthy carbs", only to find myself at 325lbs in a year. So everyone's reply have really put a burst in my sail.

    You are so right about the grains fed to the cows. 3 years ago I started feeding my pups real protein based kibble and not the Corn-based Ol' Roy crap Wal Mart. 50% protein, lots of fats, and NO GOD DAMN CORN!!!

    What prompted it was that I had a beautiful Alaskan Malamute who I had to put down for no other reason then he became too fat and damaged his hips over the years. I could never get his weight under control. I never target his type of food...just his portions. He got so much exercise and I really limited his portions. It didn't matter. Eventually the years of extra weight caused some serious hip issues. It pains me because he had all his bearings and senses still and he was only 8. I have no doubt that I literally fed the boy to death.

    Ironically, at that point, I was about 270 lbs. I should have put myself on the same primal diet my dogs went on.

    I guess grains do kill.

    Below, my Nanuk. Gone all too soon.

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    Get busy Groking or get busy dying. That's damn right!

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    • #17
      Ever read The Omnivore's Dilemma by Michael Pollan? The section on corn is really an eye-opener. America is literally corn-fed. An interesting read.

      Totally understand about pets and diet - there are a few threads on this site about that. My dog (best in the world, naturally!) just turned 10. I've tried to feed him the best diet I can, avoiding kibble (and treats) with grain, selecting canned food with good ingredients, making him grass-fed beef liver regularly (did I mention my dog loves me, LOL?). He's all black, with a few brushstrokes of gray, under the chops, on the belly, on the haunches. But he's stayed within 5# of his weight when he was 2 all his life, he runs like a freakin' gazelle, he plays like a puppy, and shows no sign of slowing down. So yeah, Primal works for man's best friend.

      BTW, check out eatwild.com and localharvest.org. Eat Wild is a great way to find local farms, especially if you can buy meat in bulk (and have a freezer). Local Harvest lists farms and CSAs, for a regular supply of quality produce. There's half your battle right there. Supermarkets? Warehouse stores? Your reliance on them will go way down...

      There is some diversity of opinion on whether someone who needs to lose weight should go very low carb until normalized. You can drive yourself mad reading both sides of that argument. But if everything were spelled out for you, what fun would that be? Carbs per se are not the enemy, but I do believe there is some validity to getting your weight and insulin sensitivity tuned up before going laissez faire with carbs. Regardless, there are healthy carbs, and they come from tubers, and fruit, and vegetables. Gotta run, but Google up "acellular carbohydrates." Some good reading there. Refined versus natural. All those healthy grains are, well, not.

      Cheers, wish you the best!

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      • #18
        Originally posted by BigBipper View Post
        Thanks for all the advice and insight, Finnegan. You guys really know your stuff and explain in a way that anyone can relate to. I totally appreciate you all taking the time to help me out. I'd hate to scare myself out of this and go back to eating "healthy carbs", only to find myself at 325lbs in a year. So everyone's reply have really put a burst in my sail.

        You are so right about the grains fed to the cows. 3 years ago I started feeding my pups real protein based kibble and not the Corn-based Ol' Roy crap Wal Mart. 50% protein, lots of fats, and NO GOD DAMN CORN!!!

        What prompted it was that I had a beautiful Alaskan Malamute who I had to put down for no other reason then he became too fat and damaged his hips over the years. I could never get his weight under control. I never target his type of food...just his portions. He got so much exercise and I really limited his portions. It didn't matter. Eventually the years of extra weight caused some serious hip issues. It pains me because he had all his bearings and senses still and he was only 8. I have no doubt that I literally fed the boy to death.

        Ironically, at that point, I was about 270 lbs. I should have put myself on the same primal diet my dogs went on.

        I guess grains do kill.

        Below, my Nanuk. Gone all too soon.

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        I have a great dog. One of the best I've ever had. She is a shepherd/rot mix and currently about 130lbs I would guess. I think the strain on her poor hips is starting to take its toll. She is definitely not overfed as she only gets two cups of food a day but it is a conventional dog food. I might try putting her on a primal diet. I'd like to get her back down to about 100lbs. She is only about 7 years old I think(adopted from a rescue)and I would sure love to keep her around for at least a few more years. I wonder if certain dogs are more sensitive to what they are fed. As a kid our two family dogs were fed purina dog chow exclusively with the exception of the occasional pizza crust and they both lived long healthy lives. Our rotty lived to be 14 which is old for the breed and our shepherd mix mutt made it to 15 or 16. Neither had any health issues over the years.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Finnegans Wake View Post
          Ever read The Omnivore's Dilemma by Michael Pollan? The section on corn is really an eye-opener. America is literally corn-fed. An interesting read

          BTW, check out eatwild.com and localharvest.org. Eat Wild is a great way to find local farms, especially if you can buy meat in bulk (and have a freezer). Local Harvest lists farms and CSAs, for a regular supply of quality produce. There's half your battle right there. Supermarkets? Warehouse stores? Your reliance on them will go way down...

          There is some diversity of opinion on whether someone who needs to lose weight should go very low carb until normalized. You can drive yourself mad reading both sides of that argument. But if everything were spelled out for you, what fun would that be? Carbs per se are not the enemy, but I do believe there is some validity to getting your weight and insulin sensitivity tuned up before going laissez faire with carbs. Regardless, there are healthy carbs, and they come from tubers, and fruit, and vegetables. Gotta run, but Google up "acellular carbohydrates." Some good reading there. Refined versus natural. All those healthy grains are, well, not.

          Cheers, wish you the best!
          I saw the Documentary King Corn and stood flabbergasted. I thought those rows of corn were going to picnics for cob eating. Silly me. Eyes wide open, finally

          Dogs are awesome. They can't make any choices on what they eat, just hope they got wiser owners. I want to be that wise owner.

          I will check out these links for sure. My chest freezer is finally empty from processed foods for the kids such as Hot Pockets and Lean (my ass) Pockets for me. The only thing left in there is the venison we shot this year. Ready to fill it up with some tasty cow, pig, and poultry.
          Get busy Groking or get busy dying. That's damn right!

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          • #20
            White Bear,
            Another thing that may have hurt Nanuk is that we live in a split ranch. If the poor dog wanted to go anywhere in the house, he was on a flight of stairs...with the extra weight. They only time he did not come to the kitchen when I entered it was the night we had to put him down.
            Get busy Groking or get busy dying. That's damn right!

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            • #21
              Originally posted by BigBipper View Post
              I am 38 years old, 306 pounds, and my entire life I have struggled with my weight. I have also been told, and believed that the Earth was flat, so I am struggling with the comprehension that I should be eating more meat and less wheat. Grok is telling me that the Earth is indeed round. I am trying to undue 38 years of "knowledge"

              However, I have been so predisposed to the "Fat is Bad" theory that I worry that I may drop dead by Saturday morning at this rate. I do feel a little better. And my nasty addiction to Chocolate has been pretty tamed. But I am still worried. I mean, 1000mg of Cholesterol consumed in 1 day? That's insane right? Or is it?
              And look where that "knowledge" got you after 38 years of blind belief. After all the crap you've been consuming you choose NOW to worry about cholesterol and fat numbers???

              Humans evolved and thrived from the beginning of time eating animal fat, and some fatty plants, depending on the region. Industrial seed oils didn't exist until 100 years ago. Canola and soy only since the 60s or 70s. Same with High Fructose Corn Syrup, or the damn omnipresent soy. Wrap your brain around that!

              Stop eating numbers, and start eating real food. Trust that your body know what to do with real food.

              And welcome by the way
              Sandra
              *My obligatory intro

              There are no cheat days. There are days when you eat primal and days you don't. As soon as you label a day a cheat day, you're on a diet. Don't be on a diet. ~~ Fernaldo

              DAINTY CAN KISS MY PRIMAL BACKSIDE. ~~ Crabcakes

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              • #22
                Suspend disbelief and try it for 30 days or 21 days. Keep a journal and record everything that seems relevant: hunger, weight, digestion, joint pain, skin condition, energy..... At the end of the trial period make a decision based on all of the above.

                No diet will kill you within a month (although the guy that did Supersize Me came pretty close).

                At your age and weight (and especially if you are male) the results should be evident, perhaps dramatic.

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                • #23
                  Just wanted to add my encouragement. It is very hard to go against long-held beliefs. But consider that you are literally MADE of red meat, that cholesterol is a fundamental building block for all sorts of hormones and things your body needs, and that humans evolved to store energy reserves as fat (much of it saturated). Leaving aside the classic debunkings of our mass diet hysteria (which are worth reading): Does it make intuitive, a priori sense to you that any of these things should be toxic or harmful when consumed?

                  FWIW I started worse off than you, to the extent such things can be quantified: 39yo, 340+ lbs, borderline diabetic, severe apnea, and a host of other problems. Went from grain-dominated eating to ~2800 cal of whole/minimally processed foods in 1 or 2 daily meals: 60-70% of cals from fat, usually 50-100g total carb, no grains or processed crap. Not an imposed limit, just eating to satiety. Walked as much as I could (which ended up being quite a lot as I got in better shape) and have introduced some running now that my knees can take it. Coming up on 2 years, I'm now sitting at 215 lb with much improved lab #s and feeling about 20 years younger.

                  Welcome and best of luck...you're on the right track.
                  6' 2" | Age: 42 | SW: 341 | CW: 198 | GW: 180?

                  “Life can only be understood backwards, but it must be lived forwards.”
                  ― Søren Kierkegaard

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                  • #24
                    It's the saturated animal fat that cures everything. Or rather, it's the attempt to blame that for poor health and avoid it in favor of crappy industrial seed oils that is the primary cause of most of our illnesses. Spend some time reading That Paleo Guy's website and it'll start to make more sense.
                    Female, 5'3", 50, Max squat: 202.5lbs. Max deadlift: 225 x 3.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Sandra in BC View Post

                      Stop eating numbers, and start eating real food.
                      Signature worthy quote alert. Nice.
                      The Champagne of Beards

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                      • #26
                        Watch 'Fathead'. It explains some of the science in a great way, so that you can start to believe it.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Finnegans Wake View Post
                          In addition to the good comments above, I'd add that grains are what farmers feed cows to fatten them up quickly. Grass-fed cows take longer to fatten and usually don't get as large. Grains are cheap and nutritionally worthless filler food, and even "whole grains" are usually refined to the point that they are basically the equivalent to a giant dose of sugar to your system.

                          Avoid processed foods. They are the mega-whammy of grains, sugars, and industrial oils. The longer you stay Primal, the clearer this becomes. You will eventually see all your old food choices as having disturbing consequences to health - not only weight, per se, but to all aspects of health.

                          Your body uses all sorts of fats, the polyunsaturated fats in nuts and fishes, the saturated fats in red meat, the monounsaturated fats in olive oil. Fats are usually delivered in some combination of the three, as in the case of lard, about 45% saturated and 55% unsaturated (oleic acid, just like olive oil). Ditch the tired metaphors of "artery-clogging saturated fats." Your arteries are not toilets, and bacon is not a bowl-clogger. Think of fats as a spectrum of stability, with saturated fats the MOST stable against rancidity and oxidation, monounsaturated being very stable, and polyunsaturated ("healthy") fats as being very unstable, almost as bad as trans-fats. (Polyunsaturated fats - PUFAs - are more stable in whole food sources like fish and nuts, but nuts go rancid easily, and fish will turn fishy if not used quickly.) Why are PUFAs (soy, vegetable, corn, canola oils) pushed so hard? Because they return giant profits. How much profit does my local farmer get from selling me some nice lard, as opposed to what Wesson makes off of vegetable oil?

                          Refined sugar, high fructose corn syrup (HFCS), agave nectar, all these are just pushed onto you mercilessly. We're kids in a candy store to food manufacturers. Avoid at all costs. Again, cheap food = big profits. Grain is cheap. Industrial oils are cheap. Sugar and HFCS is cheap.

                          Eat quality foods. Whenever possible remember that there is also a spectrum of whole foods, where grass-fed beef and pastured pork and chicken is better than industrially-raised, and locally-grown produce using organic and sustainable methods may result in more nutritious produce.

                          See past the advertising, the cascade error of CW repeated numbingly, question and question some more. Eat well, play often, and enjoy.
                          What a great post this is. Five Stars!!!
                          yay!

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                          • #28
                            Bigbipper good luck with it all.
                            Do some reading on raw for dogs. Even commercial grain free food is not great for them, its cooked and processed. Dogs need raw meaty bones

                            Raw Meaty Bones

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                            • #29
                              Carb Multigrain bagel and bowl of brown rice.

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                              • #30
                                Even if you aren't totally sold, just try it for at least a month (or, ideally, a few months) and then see how you feel. Educationally, definitely watch 'Fathead' and watch the related lecture on Youtube called 'Big Fat Fiasco'.
                                Yes, the real Dirk.

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