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    I've noticed when I eat cheese my weight loss comes to a screeching and if i eat it over an extended period i gain weight, and this doesn't come from eating in addition to other things. I take out other things to make room for the cheese consumption. Whereas I can consume a whey and cups of yogurt for weeks on end and weight loss goes without a hitch even when i add it to my regular caloric intake.

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    Casein intolerance? Additives? Not fermented enough for your body's personal needs?
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    • #3
      Never had a problem with cheese other than it's easy to eat too much of it.

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      • #4
        Last month I ate about 8lbs of cheese and lost about 8 pounds so I don't think cheese is necessarily a weight loss killer.

        It does have about twice the calories of lean meat IIRC so you gotta be careful with quantity. OTOH for whatever reason I generally don't WANT to eat much more than a pound of cheese in a day, and that's under 1900kcal...not unreasonable for a guy who is at least moderately active.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by candy corn View Post
          I've noticed when I eat cheese my weight loss comes to a screeching and if i eat it over an extended period i gain weight, and this doesn't come from eating in addition to other things. I take out other things to make room for the cheese consumption. Whereas I can consume a whey and cups of yogurt for weeks on end and weight loss goes without a hitch even when i add it to my regular caloric intake.
          Because of one reason only - calories.

          Whey and yogurt are almost entirely protein with some carbohydrate and fat. It isn't calorically dense (unless you're pounding full fat Greek yogurt, which is almost like pounding sour cream). You can eat a lot reduced fat yogurt, cottage cheese and the like because it's protein with low levels of fat and carbohydrate, so there isn't anything to store as fat. I typically buy 0% Greek yogurt and mix it with fruit so I can have a big bowl of something as a snack and not have it lead to weight gain, and since I'm consuming mostly all protein, if I do go overboard it generally goes more to muscle than fat.

          Cheese is almost all fat. Fat is the easiest macronutrient stored as fat, and it is easy to pound hundreds of calories of cheese. It is nearly effortless. You need to consume less calories than your body needs to lose weight, and cheese is one of the easiest ways to add fat calories to our diet. The only thing worse are nuts and straight up oil to halt weight loss.

          I'm guessing it would be a challenge to eat a 20oz sirloin steak to get 1,000 calories. It would be a challenge to eat a dozen eggs in a sitting to get 1,000 calories. I'm guessing it would be impossible for you to eat 1,000 calories of fruit or vegetables in a sitting, since 5 lbs of apples or 7 lbs of broccoli would probably not be very appetizing. I'd have to eat over half a gallon of the Trader Joe's 0% Greek yogurt I buy to get those 1,000 calories. But it would probably be easy to eat a simple 8oz block of cheddar in a sitting if you wanted to. It's all the same to your body in terms of weight.
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          • #6
            A serving of cheese is one square inch. I don't know about you, but one square inch of cheese simply is not enough. One square inch of cheese is equivalent to about 4 or 5 square inches of full-fat yogurt. Yogurt has more water in it.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by sbhikes View Post
              A serving of cheese is one square inch. I don't know about you, but one square inch of cheese simply is not enough. One square inch of cheese is equivalent to about 4 or 5 square inches of full-fat yogurt. Yogurt has more water in it.
              Yep. Much more calories, and a much different fatrotein ratio. Yogurt is protein heavy, cheese is fat heavy. It makes a big difference in composition.
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              • #8
                Hey Choco dude. I pour fat on my breakfast every morning, a 1/4C full, and it doesn't make me gain weight. When I don't do this, I crave food all day long, and *then* I gain weight.

                Calories aren't the whole story.

                But yes, it's easy to eat a lot of cheese, compared to other protein- & nutrient-rich foods, for some reason. Especially grocery store cheese. I can't pig out like that on my farmer's raw cheddar, for whatever reason.

                That said, I can EASILY down a quart of yogurt, any kind (plain, 24hr fermented, nonfat, full fat, doesn't matter). Any time of day. I choose not to anymore, but I can easily do it and would keep on doing it. I would imagine I could easily down a half gallon in one sitting. It's not just the high fat content of cheese that makes it easy to eat, or the lower water content.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Him View Post
                  Last month I ate about 8lbs of cheese and lost about 8 pounds
                  could this be the start of a series of "cheese hack" threads? Eat MOAR cheese? Let's hope not. My addiction to the stuff is already bad enough!

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                  • #10
                    I have to agree that within the context of calories, cheese could stall you if you're substituting oz for oz instead of calorie for calorie.

                    Ut-oh: Eat MOAR Cheese. Now that's an eating plan for me if it worked.
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                    • #11
                      I have heard cheese causes constipation for some.

                      I agree, it's about it being calorie dense and too easy to overeat. Kindof like nuts.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by MamaGrok View Post
                        Hey Choco dude. I pour fat on my breakfast every morning, a 1/4C full, and it doesn't make me gain weight. When I don't do this, I crave food all day long, and *then* I gain weight.
                        Then you simply have a total daily energy expenditure greater than the amount of calories you are eating with the added fat, and not doing so makes you overeat other things of high caloric density/lower satiety. When you don't "pour fat" on your breakfast every morning, you consume more calories. The fat is clearly having a high satiety effect on you.

                        Originally posted by MamaGrok View Post
                        Calories aren't the whole story.
                        For overall health, wellness, and body composition quality of calories mean the most. For weight loss, only calories matter. Quality is basically useless. A 1,000 calorie surplus of steak and eggs will have the same effect on weight as 1,000 calories of pizza and ice cream. Though the steak and eggs may yield a different muscle:fat ratio. That's where quality matters, but weight will remain the same.
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                        • #13
                          I made a pretty good paneer cheese last week because I had 2L of skim organic milk about to go bad. I loved it. I am weird though, most people probably would find it very bland. But the texture was cheese, and flavor grew on me. Perfect with green apple.
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                          • #14
                            I made paneer with my raw milk once. Delicious.

                            Originally posted by ChocoTaco369 View Post
                            Then you simply have a total daily energy expenditure greater than the amount of calories you are eating with the added fat, and not doing so makes you overeat other things of high caloric density/lower satiety. When you don't "pour fat" on your breakfast every morning, you consume more calories. The fat is clearly having a high satiety effect on you.
                            Yes, dear, that's quite what I said.

                            For overall health, wellness, and body composition quality of calories mean the most. For weight loss, only calories matter. Quality is basically useless. A 1,000 calorie surplus of steak and eggs will have the same effect on weight as 1,000 calories of pizza and ice cream. Though the steak and eggs may yield a different muscle:fat ratio. That's where quality matters, but weight will remain the same.
                            No, and repeating it ad nauseam will not make it so.

                            More fat & protein calories, even if it's more than the calories I eat without as much fat & protein, lead me to weight loss, not gain (although typically, as mentioned before, more f/p will lead me to *decrease* calories b/c of satiety; however, I have done specific experimentation with way overeating fat & protein calories and still didn't gain weight at that time). You simply are not taking into account the fact that if you body is working correctly, it reads "Ate too many calories today" as "Compel body to move more." If your body is screwed up, it reads "Ate too many calories today" as "but I'm still starving (b/c I can't read my leptin status or b/c my adiposity bacterial ratio is off or b/c my NPY is upregulated due to low Calcium absorption cofactors) so it's time to compel body to sit more, and store calories as fat."

                            The bottom line equation *is* calories-in, calories-out, but there are significant processes going on inside that affect that equation so that an increase in calorie intake does *not* necessarily end up with an increase in weight, nor will a decrease necessarily end up with a decrease in weight.

                            I'm not worried; you'll get it some day.
                            Last edited by MamaGrok; 02-04-2013, 12:20 PM.
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                            Bench: 130lb__________________________________________Pre ss: 85lb
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by OneDeltaTenTango View Post
                              could this be the start of a series of "cheese hack" threads? Eat MOAR cheese? Let's hope not. My addiction to the stuff is already bad enough!
                              Not by my hand.

                              For life reasons (work schedule, lack of time to cook, etc.) I was buying a block of cheese (about a pound), or pre-cooked sausages, or the like every day. I just went by the total package calories, aiming for 2000 kcal or so, and ate the whole package in a day. I also had some vegetables, oil, etc. but well under 1000 kcal. The cheese was good stuff, Manchego and the like. 70% fat, 30% protein, 0% carbs. I added a dish of mustard greens cooked in EVOO or a big pile of brussel sprouts at the end of the day and I figure I was OK nutritionally, given the constraints.
                              Last edited by Him; 02-04-2013, 03:00 PM.

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