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  • I don't know how exactly. I do know if you read the label there is sugar in whole milk (lactose) and not in heavy cream. It is why people who are lactose intolerant can have milk (or butter) but not milk. The less fat in milk the more lactose too.
    Chris
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    • Originally posted by demuralist View Post
      I don't know how exactly. I do know if you read the label there is sugar in whole milk (lactose) and not in heavy cream. It is why people who are lactose intolerant can have milk (or butter) but not milk. The less fat in milk the more lactose too.
      How very interesting. I went and checked my labels and you are absolutely correct. Maybe it is time to make the switch to tea only. I can drink that with nothing in it.
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      • Originally posted by honeybuns View Post
        I am curious how whole milk can have sugar but heavy cream doesn't. I know they come out of the same faucet. Enlighten me, please.
        HWC is the natural milk fat part removed from the sugary watery milk part.

        And why "skim" milk tastes like watery awful azzzzz. Because that's what it means... "skim" means ALL the fat has been skimmed out of it. Blehhhhh. So gross.

        Then you could take the cream(milk fat) and beat the heck out of it until it sticks together and any residual wateriness comes out if it... and you would have butter. Magic!

        There is a very small amount of lactose in HWC and in butter... but it's small enough that it doesn't affect most people that are lactose intolerant. But some who are very sensitive are affected.
        Last edited by cori93437; 02-17-2013, 01:45 PM.
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        ~Friedrich Nietzsche
        And that's why I'm here eating HFLC Primal/Paleo.

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        • Oddly enough, I can do butter, but not HWC. Don't know what to say...
          -- Ruth

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          • Hello all:

            I am perplexed. I read "The Art and Science of Low Carbohydrate Performance' a few weeks back, and was very intrigued by the prospects of changing my metabolism, so I embarked on a HFLC diet on Sat Jan 26. Today is day 23.

            Here's what has me perplexed: I have been using a Precision Ultra blood meter to test my ketones daily. Last week from Saturday to Wednesday, I was at 2.1, 2.5, 3.4, 2.5 and 3.2 (some variation in time of day). Suddenly with no change in my diet (I've been logging and eating very similar foods), it dropped to 1.4 on Thursday and Friday, and 0.8 yesterday and today! And yes, I feel particularly weak and tired, since I haven't eaten any carbs.

            Does anyone have an explanation for this? Is this part of the keto-adaptation process? I still have not had the 'aha' moment that others report, even over the time when I was consistently measuring 2.2+. I.e., I haven't felt any positive changes yet, and still suffer from hunger and poor sports performance. The drop in blood ketones is quite surprising to me, since my diet had been 'ketogenic' and it was easy to stay on path I was on, knowing that it might take up to 5 weeks to have an impact. But now I don't even appear to be in ketosis???

            Ideas?

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            • Originally posted by RMS123 View Post
              Oddly enough, I can do butter, but not HWC. Don't know what to say...
              Butter has less lactose than HWC, because quite a bit of the watery stuff has been beaten out of it in the churning process.

              If you take 2 cups of HWC and beat it into butter you get about 1/3 or so cup of 'buttermilk' containing the lactose out of it when you are done.

              So.. MUCH less lactose in butter.
              Very explainable.
              That's why HWC is liquid and butter is solid, and HWC is less calorically dense.
              “You have your way. I have my way. As for the right way, the correct way, and the only way, it does not exist.”
              ~Friedrich Nietzsche
              And that's why I'm here eating HFLC Primal/Paleo.

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              • I am still in moderate ketosis..how do i go deeper and do i need to?
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                • Karin, if you are continuing to lose weight and feel good, then I would argue that you don't need to go deeper. Just me 2 cents.

                  I don't know to go deeper.... I have heard (but don't know this) that dairy is a problem for some (not that you seem to be having all that much). Or, it could be a drop of 1-2 g of protein per day. Not sure, though.
                  -- Ruth

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                  • Originally posted by RMS123 View Post
                    Oddly enough, I can do butter, but not HWC. Don't know what to say...
                    Maybe you should check your labels, cause the cream I get from costco has a sugar per tablespoon but the brand I got from Kroger didn't. So maybe you could find a brand that was a higher percentage of fat and thus even less lactose. Or...maybe it is something besides the lactose?
                    Chris
                    "Life isn't about waiting for the storm to pass. It is about learning to dance in the rain."
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                    My journal: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread36279.html

                    My "Program": doing my version of a 4:3 - 3 day fast diet with real food every day, with a little twist of anti-inflammatory mixed in.

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                    • Originally posted by TooSteep View Post
                      Hello all:

                      I am perplexed. I read "The Art and Science of Low Carbohydrate Performance' a few weeks back, and was very intrigued by the prospects of changing my metabolism, so I embarked on a HFLC diet on Sat Jan 26. Today is day 23.

                      Here's what has me perplexed: I have been using a Precision Ultra blood meter to test my ketones daily. Last week from Saturday to Wednesday, I was at 2.1, 2.5, 3.4, 2.5 and 3.2 (some variation in time of day). Suddenly with no change in my diet (I've been logging and eating very similar foods), it dropped to 1.4 on Thursday and Friday, and 0.8 yesterday and today! And yes, I feel particularly weak and tired, since I haven't eaten any carbs.

                      Does anyone have an explanation for this? Is this part of the keto-adaptation process? I still have not had the 'aha' moment that others report, even over the time when I was consistently measuring 2.2+. I.e., I haven't felt any positive changes yet, and still suffer from hunger and poor sports performance. The drop in blood ketones is quite surprising to me, since my diet had been 'ketogenic' and it was easy to stay on path I was on, knowing that it might take up to 5 weeks to have an impact. But now I don't even appear to be in ketosis???

                      Ideas?
                      Not ignoring you but just don't know. You might find some additional information at the Low Carb Friends website. They have forums as well (even Primal ones) and I know they have at least one on NK, and very likely one based on the book. Maybe scanning through there will help if someone here doesn't come up with something. You could also check into Jimmy Moore's blog as he is currently doing an N=1 experiment where he checks his blood ketones twice daily and sometime gets comments from some knowledgeable people about his fluctuations.
                      Chris
                      "Life isn't about waiting for the storm to pass. It is about learning to dance in the rain."
                      Unknown

                      My journal: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread36279.html

                      My "Program": doing my version of a 4:3 - 3 day fast diet with real food every day, with a little twist of anti-inflammatory mixed in.

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                      • Originally posted by InSearchOfAbs View Post

                        HOW DOES HE EXIST?

                        10 years old, 55lbs.
                        That was my son. He graduated high school 6', 130 lbs. He weighs more now but he really works at it- both in the eating and workout arena.

                        And my daughter, 22, 5'5 and 95lbs including clothes. All through school everyone thought she had an eating disorder. Teachers would give her giant candy bars that she sat in class and ate.

                        All of my children can/do out eat me.

                        Congrats on the weight loss!

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                        • Originally posted by marcadav View Post
                          That was my son. He graduated high school 6', 130 lbs. He weighs more now but he really works at it- both in the eating and workout arena.

                          And my daughter, 22, 5'5 and 95lbs including clothes. All through school everyone thought she had an eating disorder. Teachers would give her giant candy bars that she sat in class and ate.

                          All of my children can/do out eat me.

                          Congrats on the weight loss!
                          Thanks!

                          Wow, so you too with your kids, gah!

                          I *LOVE* to feed things, and they have been killing
                          me since BIRTH, so, well, I overfeed my animals instead.

                          Not to the point of corpulence, but if they're hungry, then
                          by all means mama is gonna feed you!

                          I get my heavy cream from costco and there's zero sugar in it,
                          just 100% fat.

                          Weird.

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                          • Originally posted by TooSteep View Post
                            Hello all:

                            I am perplexed. I read "The Art and Science of Low Carbohydrate Performance' a few weeks back, and was very intrigued by the prospects of changing my metabolism, so I embarked on a HFLC diet on Sat Jan 26. Today is day 23.

                            Here's what has me perplexed: I have been using a Precision Ultra blood meter to test my ketones daily. Last week from Saturday to Wednesday, I was at 2.1, 2.5, 3.4, 2.5 and 3.2 (some variation in time of day). Suddenly with no change in my diet (I've been logging and eating very similar foods), it dropped to 1.4 on Thursday and Friday, and 0.8 yesterday and today! And yes, I feel particularly weak and tired, since I haven't eaten any carbs.

                            Does anyone have an explanation for this? Is this part of the keto-adaptation process? I still have not had the 'aha' moment that others report, even over the time when I was consistently measuring 2.2+. I.e., I haven't felt any positive changes yet, and still suffer from hunger and poor sports performance. The drop in blood ketones is quite surprising to me, since my diet had been 'ketogenic' and it was easy to stay on path I was on, knowing that it might take up to 5 weeks to have an impact. But now I don't even appear to be in ketosis???

                            Ideas?
                            I understand NK to be between .5 and 5.0 so your numbers are still within that range. Unfortunately, Only one of us currently has a ketone meter.
                            Make sure you are well hydrated and that you are boosting your electrolytes with bouillon, or salted broth to offset exhaustion.
                            Could you tell us your macros, current stats and goals? We may have more input then.
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                            • Originally posted by InSearchOfAbs View Post
                              Thanks!

                              Wow, so you too with your kids, gah!

                              I *LOVE* to feed things, and they have been killing
                              me since BIRTH, so, well, I overfeed my animals instead.

                              Not to the point of corpulence, but if they're hungry, then
                              by all means mama is gonna feed you!

                              I get my heavy cream from costco and there's zero sugar in it,
                              just 100% fat.

                              Weird.
                              This is an American labeling law issue.

                              If there is .5 gram per serving or less they can call it zero!
                              So... there could be .45 grams per Tbs. So... ALMOST 1g per 2Tbs... see.
                              For HWC it is about 1 carb per liquid oz. But that reads on labels as 0 per Tbs.

                              It's a labeling loophole.
                              Lots of "low carb" processed products use/used this labeling loophole by having small portions with "zero carbs" when in reality each portion has about .5 carb and they can add up quickly.

                              Look at nutritiondata... there is some minimal sugars/carbs in HWC, those are from lactose. And some people are sensitive enough to be affected by those.
                              Nutrition Facts and Analysis for Cream, fluid, heavy whipping
                              Last edited by cori93437; 02-17-2013, 03:35 PM.
                              “You have your way. I have my way. As for the right way, the correct way, and the only way, it does not exist.”
                              ~Friedrich Nietzsche
                              And that's why I'm here eating HFLC Primal/Paleo.

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                              • I heard that a high content in fat from such items as mixed nuts, avacado and coconut is actually great for the body as long as nothing is processed. I'm assuming that when you suggest to eat more fat, that you're not including any hyrdogenated-oil based food products right?

                                Thanks!

                                Brian Nametko
                                Brian Nametko - Seeking Alpha

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