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  • Originally posted by mks8500 View Post
    Hi all. I'm continuing to test the blood ketones and am still working on adding more fat to my macros. It really is a slow process for me for whatever reason. Here's what I've figured out (putting this table in was a PITA) though. Yesterday I tested in the morning and then again at night since many of us have read that ketones can be higher at night. It surely has taken me a long time to get just to the .5 mark today. I am back to losing though which is great but I'm continuing on my quest to find the perfect n=1 for me. I ordered 20 more test strips because I'd like to get 30 days worth of data. What do you think?

    9th 10th 11th 12th 13th
    Fat 121 106 110 146
    Protein 91 79 56 78
    Carbs 6 19 24 22
    Ketones .6 .4 .2 .4 / .5 .5
    Megan
    I think a 30 day experiment is a great idea.
    Primal since March 5, 2012
    SW: 221 | CW: 204 | LPW: 166 | UGW: 140 (80 lbs loss)



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    • Originally posted by demuralist View Post
      not sure the table is going to come through on this reply, but it looks like your lowest reading went with your lowest fat, and if the trend continues it looks like 110g of fat may be your low threshold? It also looks like creeping up a tad in carbs doesn't have a negative effect?
      Originally posted by mks8500 View Post
      Hi all. I'm continuing to test the blood ketones and am still working on adding more fat to my macros. It really is a slow process for me for whatever reason. Here's what I've figured out (putting this table in was a PITA) though. Yesterday I tested in the morning and then again at night since many of us have read that ketones can be higher at night. It surely has taken me a long time to get just to the .5 mark today. I am back to losing though which is great but I'm continuing on my quest to find the perfect n=1 for me. I ordered 20 more test strips because I'd like to get 30 days worth of data. What do you think?

      9th 10th 11th 12th 13th
      Fat 121 106 110 146
      Protein 91 79 56 78
      Carbs 6 19 24 22
      Ketones .6 .4 .2 .4 / .5 .5
      Megan
      I think it actually looks like her highest carb day resulted in her lowest reading. Her lowest fat day was 102 and she got a .4 reading, but her carbs were lower than the .2 day.
      Primal since March 5, 2012
      SW: 221 | CW: 204 | LPW: 166 | UGW: 140 (80 lbs loss)



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      • Originally posted by demuralist View Post
        not sure the table is going to come through on this reply, but it looks like your lowest reading went with your lowest fat, and if the trend continues it looks like 110g of fat may be your low threshold? It also looks like creeping up a tad in carbs doesn't have a negative effect?
        I think the 106 is actually the low threshold (but close enough) since the reading on the 11th was in the morning and I'm thinking was based on the foods/macros on the 10th. Right? I'm not sure how quickly the readings can be affected. I haven't freaked as much about the carbs but I am going to try to keep them a little closer to 10-15 AND the fat higher and see whether things rev up. Trying not to play with too much at one time. For me, the % of fat does seem to make a difference. I'd like to have a day that was a combination of the 11th and 12th with the high fat from the 12th but the low protein of the 11th. :-)

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        • Maybe I should've put the ketone reading from the morning with the macros from the day prior. Because I test in the morning that might be screwing up what we're looking at. Hmmm

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          • I think it is a great idea to do 30 days, you might want to put the numbers on a graph, maybe even on clear sheets so you can lay them on top of each other and see if there is a correlation.

            generally, I think the rough guidelines for macros is for fat to be twice as much as protein and for carbs to be half as much as protein. I fear if protein gets too low you risk losing LBM. Which of course is a problem with low calorie diets that this WOE is trying to avoid. Given those guidelines, the macros on the 11th are pretty spot on, and the results on the 12th look pretty good as well (given we don't know what happened macro wise on the 8th to give you the best ketosis number on the chart)
            Chris
            "Life isn't about waiting for the storm to pass. It is about learning to dance in the rain."
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            • Originally posted by demuralist View Post
              I think it is a great idea to do 30 days, you might want to put the numbers on a graph, maybe even on clear sheets so you can lay them on top of each other and see if there is a correlation.

              generally, I think the rough guidelines for macros is for fat to be twice as much as protein and for carbs to be half as much as protein. I fear if protein gets too low you risk losing LBM. Which of course is a problem with low calorie diets that this WOE is trying to avoid. Given those guidelines, the macros on the 11th are pretty spot on, and the results on the 12th look pretty good as well (given we don't know what happened macro wise on the 8th to give you the best ketosis number on the chart)


              I didn't think about adding the 8th. I have that info and will go back and edit. Duh! It was 120, 89, 20. :-/

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              • so trying to get your carbs even lower doesn't at this point look necessary right? Nor does lowering your protein? I think a 30 day graph will be very helpful.
                Chris
                "Life isn't about waiting for the storm to pass. It is about learning to dance in the rain."
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                My "Program": doing my version of a 4:3 - 3 day fast diet with real food every day, with a little twist of anti-inflammatory mixed in.

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                • What do you do when you suddenly hate your food? Or am I the only person this happens to?

                  Last night I found a new recipe/method for cauliflower mash that I really thought would make that dish work for me. Mashed potatoes is probably the thing I miss the most during VLC. (I never miss bread or pasta anymore, I never thought mashed potatoes would be my sticking point but there it is.) I made it and it all seemed fine, but then I tried to eat it and I almost barfed. Like seriously had to run to the kitchen sink because I thought I was gonna toss my cookies. Then I couldn't bear to eat it or my roast beef that was in the bowl with it, and basically felt revolted and nauseated by everything I had in the kitchen and had a full scale panic about it.

                  Then I went to In n Out and had a burger and fries. >.>

                  This sudden onset of food revulsion happens to me once or twice a month, and it does usually seem to be centered around me trying to "try new things!" or "eat a variety!" because I am so habitual and unvaried in my eating and feel like I need to change it up. Rarely goes well. Sometimes, it will conversely happen because I've eaten something too many days in a row.

                  Am I just damn weird? :*(
                  yay!

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                  • Goddammit, I want some sweet potato fries! Hrmph. I think I just need some food fat.
                    Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, steak in one hand, chocolate in the other, yelling "Holy F***, What a Ride!"
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                    • I eat the same basic thing every day. As time goes on I will tend to alter a little piece of it, so that by the end of a few months it is totally different, but I didn't realize it. I always end up with some kind of smoothie for breakfast

                      My comment to you about the mashed potatoes, is to just take a small potato, bake it, take the insides and turn them into mashed and get it over with. No where near as bad as the bun on that burger, or those fries (although you certainly could have done fries at home and been better off).
                      Chris
                      "Life isn't about waiting for the storm to pass. It is about learning to dance in the rain."
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                      My "Program": doing my version of a 4:3 - 3 day fast diet with real food every day, with a little twist of anti-inflammatory mixed in.

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                      • my little darlings came today bearing chocolate valentines and candy bouquets because there is no school tomorrow! oh dear...
                        Karin


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                        • Oh well, I never eat a bun at in n out. The fries for the full serving is something like 45 carbs, so it's not too big a deal.

                          if I could, I would eat a mashed potato as you described EVERY SINGLE DAY FOREVER. lol. :3

                          maybe i should just do it until i get tired of it. i would give up every other carb in my day that i possibly could to get that mashed potato at dinner.

                          i think i am a little insane. :P
                          yay!

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                          • Qqemokitty: How did you make your mashed cauliflower? Did you add butter and salt?

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                            • Originally posted by Neanderthal Betty View Post
                              Qqemokitty: How did you make your mashed cauliflower? Did you add butter and salt?
                              I microwaved it with heavy cream and butter and salt, then ran it in a food processor with sharp cheddar.

                              The texture was excellent, much better results than previous attempts where I boiled the cauliflower with water on the stove.

                              The taste on the other hand, was just as revolting as it has been on my previous attempts. Sort of... sweet and offputting.

                              It's strange because I love cauliflower. But every time I make it as a mash, it turns sickly sweet and disgusting. o.o
                              yay!

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                              • Sort of having a moment where I am considering a binge. It may be small but something nonetheless. It's in my journal if any any of you want to read about it.
                                Georgette

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