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  • Originally posted by mks8500 View Post
    Several of you mentioned when I posted my numbers that the protein was too high and fat was too low. So, today I'm starting my focus on fat. I know many of you have said that 2 weeks in is hardly time to panic or start changing things, however, being armed with this info helps confirm what you've each been saying. My numbers are below. I'm not sure if any of you have any questions about the ketone monitor, but if so feel free to ask away.

    Fat Protein Carbs
    93 107 6
    116 117 17
    83 74 5
    161 82 22
    114 110 10
    91 97 19
    67 55 20
    120 89 20

    Megan
    I'm not an expert but I'm not sure that your protein/fat ratio is the reason for not being really into Ketosis. If anyone followed the Atkins diet it was high protein. It was also Atkins that pushed the ketosis. So I would guess, carbs have more to do with being in ketosis more than the ratio.

    Having said that, I'm not saying more fat than protein is not better. Just not sure if more protein than fat is the problem you're not fully into ketosis.

    Others that are more versed in this, please elborate.
    55 yr old male


    07/01/2013

    Weight; 199
    Chest; 41.5
    Waist; 42
    Hips; 40
    Thigh; 22.5
    Calf; 15
    Bicep: 13
    Forearm; 11.5
    Neck; 17

    07/20/2013

    Weight; 200
    Chest; 42
    Waist; 42.5
    Hips; 39
    Thigh; 23
    Calf; 15
    Bicep: 13
    Forearm; 11.5
    Neck; 16

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    • From what I remember of Atkins it was under 20 carbs (I was except 1 day) and included not only high protein but also high fat. I may be remembering wrong, but that's the way I remember it.

      I'm not sure...

      Megan

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      • There are some links in the first post to people who are experts in the field of Nutritional Ketosis.

        There are levels of ketosis. Dr. Atkins knew this and that is why he recommended seeking the dark purple on the ketostix. For him keeping the carbs low was the key. Current thought tells us that a higher percentage of fat in relation to the other Macros will lead to deeper ketosis. Also, we are told to keep protein levels to the amount our body can use because excess will be turned into glucose which will in turn keep us out of deep ketosis.

        All of this can be measured with a blood ketone monitor. Megan, we are all REALLY interested in what you find out.lol
        Last edited by Pebbles67; 02-09-2013, 07:34 AM.
        Primal since 9/24/2010
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        • Dr. Atkins actually recommended only 2 weeks at 20g of carb or less. He then recommended adding carbs slowly to find one's critical carbohydrate level. How many carbs one could eat and still remain in ketosis.
          Primal since 9/24/2010
          "Our greatest foes, and whom we must chiefly combat, are within." Miguel de Cervantes

          Created by MyFitnessPal.com - Free Weight Loss Tools
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          • Weigh in results for first week of LCHF..Down .8.(down 8-9lbs last month by eating primal) Right at 171 this morning. Two pounds away from being in my normal weight range (5'9F) Slept like a champ. Woke up STARVING though. This girl is going to eat today! Haven't been hungry the last few days, so I am having a hard time reaching 1200 calories. That will not be the case today. Have a great Saturday everyone. Oh, still having vivid and weird dreams.
            37 yof
            5'9

            Macros:
            70% fat
            20% protein
            10% net carbs
            1300-1500 calories

            SW:180ish
            CW:171
            GW:155

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            • I had a shock this morning and an unwelcome one at that. I woke wide eyed and bushy tailed at 6am on a Saturday!!!!! Saturday is my one day to sleep in and I didn't get to! Curses!!!!!

              I did try out a new recipe last night for a Deep Dish Pizza that my entire family loved. I will add that to the recipe thread in a bit. It was delicious and very filling.
              Georgette

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              • Everyone is doing a great job!!! Keep on!
                You know all those things you wanted to do: You should go do them.

                Age 48
                height 5'3
                SW 215 lbs
                CW 180 lbs (whole foods/primal eating)
                LW 172 lbs
                GW 125ish lbs

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                • wannispearl,

                  I agree with Primal123. Sounds like the Primal Blueprint was working great for you. Why change things so soon? Having said that, you are welcome here and we will help you figure out the higher fat macros if you want to do it.
                  Primal since 9/24/2010
                  "Our greatest foes, and whom we must chiefly combat, are within." Miguel de Cervantes

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                  • Wow, that was a poorly timed bout of food poisoning!!! Thirty pages in the meantime . . .

                    So today is the scheduled FAIL and tomorrow it's back to business. Hope everyone is well!
                    JOIN THE PANDA SHOW!!! Primal With A Side Of FABULOUS and PANDALOONERY!

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                    • Originally posted by Gay Panda View Post
                      Wow, that was a poorly timed bout of food poisoning!!! Thirty pages in the meantime . . .

                      So today is the scheduled FAIL and tomorrow it's back to business. Hope everyone is well!
                      Stop poisoning yourself with your leet cooking skills Pandapants!
                      “You have your way. I have my way. As for the right way, the correct way, and the only way, it does not exist.”
                      ~Friedrich Nietzsche
                      And that's why I'm here eating HFLC Primal/Paleo.

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                      • Originally posted by ez2cy View Post
                        Looked back and can't find it....this is in response to?????
                        we were making lite of the oliogiofructose claims. Unfortunately, apparently, some thought we were serious.
                        Chris
                        "Life isn't about waiting for the storm to pass. It is about learning to dance in the rain."
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                        My journal: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread36279.html

                        My "Program": doing my version of a 4:3 - 3 day fast diet with real food every day, with a little twist of anti-inflammatory mixed in.

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                        • regarding the protein intake I have seen it stated by "experts" that somewhere around 25g at one sitting is probably all the body can use up. Obviously it is different for everyone, but if you are having trouble getting into ketosis and you are eating your macros but all of your protein is in one sitting you might consider shifting things around.
                          Chris
                          "Life isn't about waiting for the storm to pass. It is about learning to dance in the rain."
                          Unknown

                          My journal: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread36279.html

                          My "Program": doing my version of a 4:3 - 3 day fast diet with real food every day, with a little twist of anti-inflammatory mixed in.

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                          • Originally posted by canio6 View Post
                            Quick clarification on what the two of you are stating here...I am not trying to be wilfully obtuse or cause an argument, but what I am reading/understanding may not be what you are both saying, hence the question...

                            It is my understanding that a calorie = a calorie in that they are both equal measures of heat or some such.

                            It is also my understanding that each person requires a certain number of these calories daily to maintain their BMR. This can increase or decrease based on age, sex, weight, activity level, medical conditions, metabolism, etc.

                            Given these two ideas it would seem that if correct BMR was 1,500 calories, it would not matter where these 1,500 calories came from, as if 1,500 calories were consumed, weight (all things being equal) would remain the same. Excess calories would lead to gain, a deficeit would lead to weight loss.

                            Now, I freely admit that it is far easier to over eat calories on certain foods (junk foods). I can easily eat a 1,000 bag of chips and still be hungry and thus eat 1000 calories more of some other junk. Where as, it is far harder to eat more after eating a pound of steak cooked in butter, which has about the same caloric numbers (1000). This has nothing to do with the number of calories or the quality of calories but in the characteristics of the food themselves - one being more nutritious/satiating than the other.

                            As such, what I think you are both trying to say is that if one is eating higher quality food sources (non-processed, real foods - meat, vegetables, fats) and not junk foods this leads to weight loss because your body consumes less calories. Not what it appears on the surface that 1000 calories of meat is somehow different than 1000 calories of junk.

                            Is that correct?

                            I ask because it can be confusing to some if they think they can eat all the primal foods they want and due to 'quality calories' not gain weight. It has been my experience, that this simply is not true. I can easily gain weight eating too many primal calories.

                            or am I completely losing my mind?

                            (this is what I get for posting at 0430 lol)
                            You are correct... but I also said that one day out of many isn't going to totally derail his progress. If you're hungry, you should eat.
                            Primal since March 5, 2012
                            SW: 221 | CW: 204 | LPW: 166 | UGW: 140 (80 lbs loss)



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                            • Originally posted by jenn26point2 View Post
                              You are correct... but I also said that one day out of many isn't going to totally derail his progress. If you're hungry, you should eat.
                              I agree to an extent. One day does not a lifetime make. That said, if I ate every time I felt hungry, especially at first, (and my question was asked mostly for clarification for new folks) I would have overeaten daily. I think at some point you have to say, I am allowed X calories. I have had X calories. I am done.

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                              • So if I can pull my pants on and off without unsnapping or unzipping, does that mean I actually lost while traveling? will weigh in the morning.
                                Female 55
                                Starting wt: 198, Goal: 135, Current with PB: 165
                                Started at a size 16 down to loose 10

                                With PB my asthma has improved, low back pain is gone, & I've got more energy

                                My Primal Journal: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread60175.html

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