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  • Originally posted by ez2cy View Post
    Well, first screw up today. Added 5 oz of left over meatloaf to my breaky and then took wife out to Cora's for lunch. Blew my calorie intake. Actually....I'm about even, because MFP has it figured for me to lose 2 lbs a week. Think I'm over about the amount they want me under, if that makes sense?

    Tomorrow will have to make up for it.

    As far as exercise...I heard making wild passionate love is like jogging ten miles. Anyone heard of that? Maybe I should run a marathon later.......LMAO
    Just eat some eggs and bacon for dinner. Your carbs look good for the day. Don't sweat going over calories occasionally. And who cares what MFP says about your weight loss goals. Remember, it's CW bs. Calories in vs calories out... we've learned here that it's not just calories in vs calories out... it's the QUALITY of calories too. If you're hungry, EAT!

    It amazes me that you can survive a day on 1300 calories and not feel hungry. It amazes me b/c I eat 1500 and tend to want more.

    But regardless, one day of being over calories is not going to completely undo your ketosis, as long as you keep your carbs below 50.
    Primal since March 5, 2012
    SW: 221 | CW: 204 | LPW: 166 | UGW: 140 (80 lbs loss)



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    • At last the scale moved - 0.6lbs down this morning and my month taste terrible and hectic hot flushes - feels like I been wondering in the desert!! Not hungry so skipping Breakfast and off to the farm

      Have a great Saturday.
      Nobody can imprison your power of imagination.

      Restarted the journey:
      SW: 153lbs (Starting date - 05/08/2013)
      CW: 146lbs (13/08/2013)
      GW: 130lbs

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      • Hi - last post before turning off computer for good for a week. Aaaahhhhh... Thanks for the advice about magnesium and potassium for muscle cramps. I had already been taking magnesium for the last week, but I went and checked the doseage and saw that I should have been taking at least 4 capsules to get what you all recommended. Went and bought some potassium and then took a dose of each mineral before bed last night. Within 5-10 minutes, I had a little upset tummy (which went away quickly), BUT I could feel those little "twinges" that I get in my calf muscles while I lie there (that can spontaneously burst into bone-bending cramps if I am careless and stretch or flex my feet!) start to smooth away, and had no problems all night or this morning. I'll repeat this process every night and report back in a week. I'm still bringing pickle juice as back up (supposedly it's the extreme concentration of salt, according to info on the web).
        Oh, and I weighed in at my Thursday night Weight Watchers meeting (I joined just after Thanksgiving, and have been doing LCHF with my points. I haven't told the leader about this change yet, only that I'm not eating sweets and starches). I am down 2 pounds for this week, for a total weight loss of 14 pounds since 11/28, 10 of which came after a New Years chocolate binge that led me to this WOE in mid January.
        Have a great week everyone, and please think positive thoughts for me on Sunday morning. I'm flying from Phx-Houston-New Orleans to catch a ship that won't wait if I'm delayed. I'm hoping that this snowstorm will be mostly over and airline traffic will be somewhat normal by then... Snowstorms in the east can have a trickle-down delay affect on us out in the west!
        Last edited by desertcreature; 02-08-2013, 10:53 PM. Reason: emphasis added!
        "Just give me all the bacon and eggs you have. Wait, wait. I'm worried what you just heard was, 'Give me a lot of bacon and eggs.' What I said was, 'Give me all the bacon and eggs you have'. Do you understand?" - Ron Swanson

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        • I want to join.
          I haven't had enough time to read through as much of this feed as I want to yet. But I know that mathematically, I'm going to need a little help.

          I just finished my first month of Primal. Technically it has gone well... no grains/beans etc has not been a challenge. I already have celiac and I'm not big on gluten free substitution products, usually.
          Anyway, I did really well the first couple of weeks because I was journaling everything, I was eating enough (and good portions, I think) and I was totally geeking out on the wealth of knowledge online here and in PB book. I hike every day with pups...and the strengthening waaas really good and now sort of ... half-assed. I know I need routine for workouts and guidelines for food and I need to re spark that passion I was feeling in the first couple weeks! I'm not going anywhere, this is the right place for me... but I know I'm not balancing things correctly. I need some guidance.

          So I was doing well and then a flip switched and I kind of shut off and started an "I've got this" mentality. And I totally didn't "got this" at all cause I'm pretty sure I gained back what I lost AND some. the AND some.... is muscle, I'm sure. But man, seeing more lbs on the scale and my clothing is not looser. That's rough. I am up to 158-160 (fluctuating). My favorite weight was 135 but apparenly I look too skinny at that weight so I'd be cool in the 140-145 range. Actually, considering I want to start crossfitness and I am a hiker I'd be into a little more muscle so I'll aim for 145.

          SO I want to do this...
          And at the same time I am terrified of eating that much food. And at the same time if I don't eat enough I also binge on "healthy" things in unhealthy quantities. Oy. I'm struggling to get back on track. I'm going to click that link and start up!
          So far I have figured out that after my BMR and adding in physical activity I need around 1900 cals a day.
          The part where I have a hard time is the rest of the percentages. Help?
          Last edited by wannispearl; 02-08-2013, 11:53 PM.

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          • Originally posted by jenn26point2 View Post
            And who cares what MFP says about your weight loss goals. Remember, it's CW bs. Calories in vs calories out... we've learned here that it's not just calories in vs calories out... it's the QUALITY of calories too. If you're hungry, EAT!
            I enjoy looking @ what MFP says about my weightless goals because it makes me giggle. Some days it will tell me that in 5 weeks I will have gained so many pounds or lose only .5-1 pound if I continue eating like that day. I call bullish*t! That has not been my experience with this WOE. When I am hungry, I eat...the macros that have been working for me.
            “Life is a journey, not a destination.”
            ― Ralph Waldo Emerson

            SW (January 2011): 208.5
            LPW (March 23, 2013): 156.0
            CW (July, 4, 2013): 172

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            • Originally posted by jenn26point2 View Post
              And who cares what MFP says about your weight loss goals. Remember, it's CW bs. Calories in vs calories out... we've learned here that it's not just calories in vs calories out... it's the QUALITY of calories too. If you're hungry, EAT!

              Originally posted by B2B View Post
              I enjoy looking @ what MFP says about my weightless goals because it makes me giggle. Some days it will tell me that in 5 weeks I will have gained so many pounds or lose only .5-1 pound if I continue eating like that day. I call bullish*t! That has not been my experience with this WOE. When I am hungry, I eat...the macros that have been working for me.

              Quick clarification on what the two of you are stating here...I am not trying to be wilfully obtuse or cause an argument, but what I am reading/understanding may not be what you are both saying, hence the question...

              It is my understanding that a calorie = a calorie in that they are both equal measures of heat or some such.

              It is also my understanding that each person requires a certain number of these calories daily to maintain their BMR. This can increase or decrease based on age, sex, weight, activity level, medical conditions, metabolism, etc.

              Given these two ideas it would seem that if correct BMR was 1,500 calories, it would not matter where these 1,500 calories came from, as if 1,500 calories were consumed, weight (all things being equal) would remain the same. Excess calories would lead to gain, a deficeit would lead to weight loss.

              Now, I freely admit that it is far easier to over eat calories on certain foods (junk foods). I can easily eat a 1,000 bag of chips and still be hungry and thus eat 1000 calories more of some other junk. Where as, it is far harder to eat more after eating a pound of steak cooked in butter, which has about the same caloric numbers (1000). This has nothing to do with the number of calories or the quality of calories but in the characteristics of the food themselves - one being more nutritious/satiating than the other.

              As such, what I think you are both trying to say is that if one is eating higher quality food sources (non-processed, real foods - meat, vegetables, fats) and not junk foods this leads to weight loss because your body consumes less calories. Not what it appears on the surface that 1000 calories of meat is somehow different than 1000 calories of junk.

              Is that correct?

              I ask because it can be confusing to some if they think they can eat all the primal foods they want and due to 'quality calories' not gain weight. It has been my experience, that this simply is not true. I can easily gain weight eating too many primal calories.

              or am I completely losing my mind?

              (this is what I get for posting at 0430 lol)
              Last edited by canio6; 02-09-2013, 04:37 AM.

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              • Originally posted by wannispearl View Post
                I want to join.
                I haven't had enough time to read through as much of this feed as I want to yet. But I know that mathematically, I'm going to need a little help.

                I just finished my first month of Primal. Technically it has gone well... no grains/beans etc has not been a challenge. I already have celiac and I'm not big on gluten free substitution products, usually.
                Anyway, I did really well the first couple of weeks because I was journaling everything, I was eating enough (and good portions, I think) and I was totally geeking out on the wealth of knowledge online here and in PB book. I hike every day with pups...and the strengthening waaas really good and now sort of ... half-assed. I know I need routine for workouts and guidelines for food and I need to re spark that passion I was feeling in the first couple weeks! I'm not going anywhere, this is the right place for me... but I know I'm not balancing things correctly. I need some guidance.

                So I was doing well and then a flip switched and I kind of shut off and started an "I've got this" mentality. And I totally didn't "got this" at all cause I'm pretty sure I gained back what I lost AND some. the AND some.... is muscle, I'm sure. But man, seeing more lbs on the scale and my clothing is not looser. That's rough. I am up to 158-160 (fluctuating). My favorite weight was 135 but apparenly I look too skinny at that weight so I'd be cool in the 140-145 range. Actually, considering I want to start crossfitness and I am a hiker I'd be into a little more muscle so I'll aim for 145.

                SO I want to do this...
                And at the same time I am terrified of eating that much food. And at the same time if I don't eat enough I also binge on "healthy" things in unhealthy quantities. Oy. I'm struggling to get back on track. I'm going to click that link and start up!
                So far I have figured out that after my BMR and adding in physical activity I need around 1900 cals a day.
                The part where I have a hard time is the rest of the percentages. Help?
                Welcome - this is a great place to be with awesome support!! What is your height, age and a daily breakdown of your eating plan?
                Last edited by Lizard; 02-09-2013, 05:00 AM.
                Nobody can imprison your power of imagination.

                Restarted the journey:
                SW: 153lbs (Starting date - 05/08/2013)
                CW: 146lbs (13/08/2013)
                GW: 130lbs

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                • Canio - you are not losing your mind...perhaps I should have been more clear. After I have entered all of my foods for a day there is a button on MFP that says "complete this entry." When I click on that, it says that if everyday was like today...in 5 weeks you would weigh this amount. That's what makes me giggle, the day to day predictions for 5 weeks out. There are days that I eat substantially more because of my activity level and that is when MFP makes a prediction that I will gain weight.

                  This is what I know, I have been doing EMF for a solid 4 weeks and have lost 11.5 pounds and some inches. MFP helps me track my macros, and that is what I am focusing on right now as I tweak. I have lost my holiday gain and broken my almost year long plateau. MFP would have not predicted this based on the data I supplied. Does that make sense?
                  “Life is a journey, not a destination.”
                  ― Ralph Waldo Emerson

                  SW (January 2011): 208.5
                  LPW (March 23, 2013): 156.0
                  CW (July, 4, 2013): 172

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                  • Originally posted by canio6 View Post
                    Quick clarification on what the two of you are stating here...I am not trying to be wilfully obtuse or cause an argument, but what I am reading/understanding may not be what you are both saying, hence the question...

                    It is my understanding that a calorie = a calorie in that they are both equal measures of heat or some such.

                    It is also my understanding that each person requires a certain number of these calories daily to maintain their BMR. This can increase or decrease based on age, sex, weight, activity level, medical conditions, metabolism, etc.

                    Given these two ideas it would seem that if correct BMR was 1,500 calories, it would not matter where these 1,500 calories came from, as if 1,500 calories were consumed, weight (all things being equal) would remain the same. Excess calories would lead to gain, a deficeit would lead to weight loss.

                    Now, I freely admit that it is far easier to over eat calories on certain foods (junk foods). I can easily eat a 1,000 bag of chips and still be hungry and thus eat 1000 calories more of some other junk. Where as, it is far harder to eat more after eating a pound of steak cooked in butter, which has about the same caloric numbers (1000). This has nothing to do with the number of calories or the quality of calories but in the characteristics of the food themselves - one being more nutritious/satiating than the other.

                    As such, what I think you are both trying to say is that if one is eating higher quality food sources (non-processed, real foods - meat, vegetables, fats) and not junk foods this leads to weight loss because your body consumes less calories. Not what it appears on the surface that 1000 calories of meat is somehow different than 1000 calories of junk.

                    Is that correct?

                    I ask because it can be confusing to some if they think they can eat all the primal foods they want and due to 'quality calories' not gain weight. It has been my experience, that this simply is not true. I can easily gain weight eating too many primal calories.

                    or am I completely losing my mind?

                    (this is what I get for posting at 0430 lol)
                    You are correct in that a calorie is a calorie is a calorie, when speaking to the concept that it is a meaasure of heat. You are also correct that BMR is the number of calories one must burn to maintain their bodily functions. Drop below that number and the difference has to be made up somehow. Either the body adapts to the current calorie intake and gets more efficient in it's calorie use, and/or it switches fuel sources.

                    Calories come from fat, carbs and protein, and the body has a preference as to the order it burns fuels. Carbs, then fat and then protein. The "difficulty" comes in getting the right mix of calories to maintain your normal body functions. Proteins are constantly needed for cell wall repair, muscle building, yada yada yada, fats are needed for hormone production, vitamin transport, energy storage yada yada yada. Carbs are burned first because they are the easiest to convert to energy. Fats and proteins, if I understand correctly pretty much are burned at a constant rate. Carbs are a different story. Because there are several different "sugars" that make up carbs, they are converted to energy at different rates. Simple sugars, like glucose, are absorbed really quick and other sugars are harder to convert to glucose and are absorbed more slowly.
                    With that being said, your ability to eat a cetrain number of calories will be driven by the source of the calorie.... It is far easier to eat 1000 calories of carbs than it is to eat 1000 calories of protein because of feedback loops in the body that tell you "OK dummy, enough with the boiled eggs already!" or "Knock it off with the lard, I'm full already"..... Highly processed foods are filled with calories that are easy to digest (ie sugar) so you don't get the feedback from your body until you have overeaten your calorie requirement. Whole foods or foods that are not highly processed do not have all those fillers and have my bulky fiber (in the case of veg) that aids in the feedback off your body to tell you to stop eating. (ie satiety).

                    Instead of that loquacious response, I could have just said "Yes, you are correct" but I like the sound of my voice in my head when I write....

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                    • Originally posted by demuralist View Post
                      Karin, I don't know but it promotes the "excretion of toxins" and that doesn't sound pleasant!
                      Looked back and can't find it....this is in response to?????
                      55 yr old male


                      07/01/2013

                      Weight; 199
                      Chest; 41.5
                      Waist; 42
                      Hips; 40
                      Thigh; 22.5
                      Calf; 15
                      Bicep: 13
                      Forearm; 11.5
                      Neck; 17

                      07/20/2013

                      Weight; 200
                      Chest; 42
                      Waist; 42.5
                      Hips; 39
                      Thigh; 23
                      Calf; 15
                      Bicep: 13
                      Forearm; 11.5
                      Neck; 16

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                      • B2B and ssn679doc - thanks, makes sense...probably more sense when I am actually fully awake

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                        • Originally posted by canio6 View Post
                          Quick clarification on what the two of you are stating here...I am not trying to be wilfully obtuse or cause an argument, but what I am reading/understanding may not be what you are both saying, hence the question...

                          It is my understanding that a calorie = a calorie in that they are both equal measures of heat or some such.

                          It is also my understanding that each person requires a certain number of these calories daily to maintain their BMR. This can increase or decrease based on age, sex, weight, activity level, medical conditions, metabolism, etc.

                          Given these two ideas it would seem that if correct BMR was 1,500 calories, it would not matter where these 1,500 calories came from, as if 1,500 calories were consumed, weight (all things being equal) would remain the same. Excess calories would lead to gain, a deficeit would lead to weight loss.

                          Now, I freely admit that it is far easier to over eat calories on certain foods (junk foods). I can easily eat a 1,000 bag of chips and still be hungry and thus eat 1000 calories more of some other junk. Where as, it is far harder to eat more after eating a pound of steak cooked in butter, which has about the same caloric numbers (1000). This has nothing to do with the number of calories or the quality of calories but in the characteristics of the food themselves - one being more nutritious/satiating than the other.

                          As such, what I think you are both trying to say is that if one is eating higher quality food sources (non-processed, real foods - meat, vegetables, fats) and not junk foods this leads to weight loss because your body consumes less calories. Not what it appears on the surface that 1000 calories of meat is somehow different than 1000 calories of junk.

                          Is that correct?

                          I ask because it can be confusing to some if they think they can eat all the primal foods they want and due to 'quality calories' not gain weight. It has been my experience, that this simply is not true. I can easily gain weight eating too many primal calories.

                          or am I completely losing my mind?

                          (this is what I get for posting at 0430 lol)
                          You are correct in all. A calorie is a calorie but also, all calories are not created equal. You are right in saying a person can not just eat all the calories they want (Primal) and not gain weight. They WILL GAIN!

                          I believe the arguement from CW is flawed in "JUST" a calorie is a calorie. It is not. Tim Ferris author of the 4 hour Body takes about how outdated a calorie measurement is, but it's all they had back then and nobody has come up with anything different. As he stated, a block of wood technically has calories, ie, when burned it will raise the temp of water.........but when eaten, it will do nothing for the body in the way of energy. Also, some calories although easy to digest, just go to the fat cells, not being used as energy. Hence...ALL CALORIES ARE NOT EQUAL.

                          I do believe though that we still have to watch how many calories we eat. Again, another "however". What is probably more important that "how" many calories we eat, is the "kind" of calories we eat. I believe it is a balance of the two.

                          This started with my complaining I screwed up yesterday and what MFP told me. For me, staying within the calorie guidelines MFP has put down for me....as well as eating those calories in the right ratio's ie fat, protein and carbs, I will be guaranteed to lose the weight I want.

                          I worked most of my life in the horse industry and was extremely successful. I now am retired and am a successful poker player. Reason I'm stating this? In both, I did not listen to just one train of thought. I took what made sense from this trainer (or poker player) added it with what this other trainer (or poker player) said to do and came up with my own strategies. Even CW has it's good points. Take what works from CW add it with what works with PB and HFLC and you will succeed.

                          Having said that....I think I"ll fast today to make up for my calories not being as low as I wanted yesterday. LOL

                          I will see on Monday what the scale and tape say in how I did in my first week of eating like this .

                          I also apoligize for my humour if some don't get it.
                          55 yr old male


                          07/01/2013

                          Weight; 199
                          Chest; 41.5
                          Waist; 42
                          Hips; 40
                          Thigh; 22.5
                          Calf; 15
                          Bicep: 13
                          Forearm; 11.5
                          Neck; 17

                          07/20/2013

                          Weight; 200
                          Chest; 42
                          Waist; 42.5
                          Hips; 39
                          Thigh; 23
                          Calf; 15
                          Bicep: 13
                          Forearm; 11.5
                          Neck; 16

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                          • Originally posted by wannispearl View Post
                            I want to join.
                            I haven't had enough time to read through as much of this feed as I want to yet. But I know that mathematically, I'm going to need a little help.

                            I just finished my first month of Primal. Technically it has gone well... no grains/beans etc has not been a challenge. I already have celiac and I'm not big on gluten free substitution products, usually.
                            Anyway, I did really well the first couple of weeks because I was journaling everything, I was eating enough (and good portions, I think) and I was totally geeking out on the wealth of knowledge online here and in PB book. I hike every day with pups...and the strengthening waaas really good and now sort of ... half-assed. I know I need routine for workouts and guidelines for food and I need to re spark that passion I was feeling in the first couple weeks! I'm not going anywhere, this is the right place for me... but I know I'm not balancing things correctly. I need some guidance.

                            So I was doing well and then a flip switched and I kind of shut off and started an "I've got this" mentality. And I totally didn't "got this" at all cause I'm pretty sure I gained back what I lost AND some. the AND some.... is muscle, I'm sure. But man, seeing more lbs on the scale and my clothing is not looser. That's rough. I am up to 158-160 (fluctuating). My favorite weight was 135 but apparenly I look too skinny at that weight so I'd be cool in the 140-145 range. Actually, considering I want to start crossfitness and I am a hiker I'd be into a little more muscle so I'll aim for 145.

                            SO I want to do this...
                            And at the same time I am terrified of eating that much food. And at the same time if I don't eat enough I also binge on "healthy" things in unhealthy quantities. Oy. I'm struggling to get back on track. I'm going to click that link and start up!
                            So far I have figured out that after my BMR and adding in physical activity I need around 1900 cals a day.
                            The part where I have a hard time is the rest of the percentages. Help?
                            Welcome, but to be honest if you have been only eating Primal for a month, I would stick with it for a good 6 months before doing any tweaks. If you are having trouble staying the course I always find rereading the book helpful.

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                            • Ok, so the results of the blood ketone monitor. Very interesting.

                              If you'll recall I lost about 12lbs in my first 2 weeks of primal after having been GF for 2 years. I gained 2lbs this week and was quite confused because my ketostix showed I was in ketosis (1 away from the darkest purple), I was still doing well on carbs and calories.

                              Well, I measured this morning using the ketone blood monitor (it took me 2 of the reading strips because I'm such a spaz about pricking my own finger and couldn't get enough blood) and my reading was .4. Ummm, that's barely ketosis. So, I'm on a quest to ADD MORE FAT. Several of you mentioned when I posted my numbers that the protein was too high and fat was too low. So, today I'm starting my focus on fat. I know many of you have said that 2 weeks in is hardly time to panic or start changing things, however, being armed with this info helps confirm what you've each been saying. My numbers are below. I'm not sure if any of you have any questions about the ketone monitor, but if so feel free to ask away.

                              Fat Protein Carbs
                              93 107 6
                              116 117 17
                              83 74 5
                              161 82 22
                              114 110 10
                              91 97 19
                              67 55 20
                              120 89 20

                              Megan

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                              • ^ Interesting results. I'll be watching your experiment with interest!
                                -- Ruth

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