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  • Originally posted by valmason01 View Post
    I am not doing well with all of this. I had a fibromyalgia flare up a few weeks ago that still hasn't gone away and I am very depressed. I have not been to work in two days. I don't know at this point if the depression caused the flare up or vice versa but either way I am not functioning. Sorry to just whine but something has to give. I just took a walk to try to get out some. It took all the energy I had. I have to go to work tomorrow and I want my life back. I am wondering if adding in carbs that are 'safe', maybe a Perfect health Diet style would help or if VLC is the way to go. I know we are all different but if anyone has had any experience w/ one or both and wouldn't mind sharing that would be wonderful! Thanks for letting me whine
    I don't have any experience with either, but didn't want your post to go by without a reply (the board moves so quickly). What have you been eating? Could your calories be too low? Again, no experience, just wanted to say hi and send a smile.

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    • I just wanted to give you ladies and update:

      My weight hasn't changed,but I feel AMAZING!!

      I have so much energy!
      Started eating Primal January 14th,2013
      CW: 126 lbs/GW 125lbs
      I am new to Primal/Paleo,loving it so far!


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      • Originally posted by valmason01 View Post
        I am not doing well with all of this. I had a fibromyalgia flare up a few weeks ago that still hasn't gone away and I am very depressed. I have not been to work in two days. I don't know at this point if the depression caused the flare up or vice versa but either way I am not functioning. Sorry to just whine but something has to give. I just took a walk to try to get out some. It took all the energy I had. I have to go to work tomorrow and I want my life back. I am wondering if adding in carbs that are 'safe', maybe a Perfect health Diet style would help or if VLC is the way to go. I know we are all different but if anyone has had any experience w/ one or both and wouldn't mind sharing that would be wonderful! Thanks for letting me whine
        Try having two cups of well salted broth early in the day and see if this prevents the problem. Eat an avacado as well for potassium. The only other thing I can think of is you aren't able to digest the fat. Bile salts and digestive enzymes may be necessary.

        If you need a temporary quick fix to get back to work, I would eat some carbs for now and try again in a few days with special attention to the two points above and see if things go better.

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        • Wow! Some posts got buried quickly!

          Originally posted by valmason01 View Post
          I am not doing well with all of this. I had a fibromyalgia flare up a few weeks ago that still hasn't gone away and I am very depressed. I have not been to work in two days. I don't know at this point if the depression caused the flare up or vice versa but either way I am not functioning. Sorry to just whine but something has to give. I just took a walk to try to get out some. It took all the energy I had. I have to go to work tomorrow and I want my life back. I am wondering if adding in carbs that are 'safe', maybe a Perfect health Diet style would help or if VLC is the way to go. I know we are all different but if anyone has had any experience w/ one or both and wouldn't mind sharing that would be wonderful! Thanks for letting me whine
          Val, I have no experience with Fibro, and only know what I have read from people here and have talked about with my mother-in-law (MIL) who is also a Fibro sufferer. My MIL does not follow the Primal Blueprint (PB), she says she knows what her triggers are and feels too restricted on the PB. So I don't know how she controls hers at this point. I know Tomi and Candy and Judg (others here at MDA) control their fibro/Chronic Fatigue Syndrome (CFS) with the PB, primarily, no sugar or bad inflammatory foods (like bad oils, etc).

          Something I think might be of benefit for you to look into is an autoimmune paleo protocol or GAPS protocol.These will help you find your trigger foods, which will help you determine which foods to avoid in the future to avoid flare-ups. For my MIL, these foods are nightshades (specifically tomatoes or jalapenos), alcohol, and anything spicy. You can find them online, or read the book Practical Paleo (the author has a 30 day meal plan for those suffering specifically with Fibro). It's a great book that really breaks down the way our bodies work, why they fight back (with autoimmune illnesses) and has some awesome recipes.

          And maybe once you get the fibro under control using one of those methods, or better determining your trigger foods, VLC might be good. If it were me trying to do VLC with uncontrolled Fibro symptoms, I'd feel depressed too - it'd be too much for me to bear considering how devastating Fibro can be to your life and how difficult it can be to do VLC as a normal, healthy, fully functioning adult. My advice, for your sanity, would be to take up an autoimmune protocol first, get things under control and then come back to VLC as an experiment. I'm not saying you shouldn't eat VLC while eating autoimmune... I'm just suggesting tackling one thing at a time.

          Do you have a journal? I am interested in following your story.

          Originally posted by Tee View Post
          Hey Gang, just ran across this thread and I hope you'll all except a guy joining you.
          According to the information I have gained reading this thread, at my current weight,
          I should be consuming 3311 cals per day.
          Yes I weigh a lot for now. My question is how much fat should I be consuming a day?
          Thank you and I look forward to day day I can tell you I reached my beach body weight.
          Which I haven't seen since Jimmy Carter was in office.
          Tee, what is your goal weight? Have you used any of the equations/formulas in the first post to determine your goals?
          Last edited by jenn26point2; 02-05-2013, 09:15 AM.
          Primal since March 5, 2012
          SW: 221 | CW: 204 | LPW: 166 | UGW: 140 (80 lbs loss)



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          • No I don't mind....do I have to do anything? Like approve you?
            55 yr old male


            07/01/2013

            Weight; 199
            Chest; 41.5
            Waist; 42
            Hips; 40
            Thigh; 22.5
            Calf; 15
            Bicep: 13
            Forearm; 11.5
            Neck; 17

            07/20/2013

            Weight; 200
            Chest; 42
            Waist; 42.5
            Hips; 39
            Thigh; 23
            Calf; 15
            Bicep: 13
            Forearm; 11.5
            Neck; 16

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            • Originally posted by ez2cy View Post
              No I don't mind....do I have to do anything? Like approve you?
              Yes. I sent you a request on MFP to be your friend. You might also have to update your settings (click the settings link on the Home Tab) to allow friends to see your diary. It might default to private.
              Primal since March 5, 2012
              SW: 221 | CW: 204 | LPW: 166 | UGW: 140 (80 lbs loss)



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              • To answer my own question re unsalted kerrygold butter. Apparently it has been discontinued in the UK & president butter is not grass fed.However, Rachel's Organic butter is the closest thing we can get (our dreadful weather makes it nearly impossible for cows to be pastured all year round) & luckily Waitrose has it on offer. So glad I have found it, 2 days on 40g of salted butter has been making me feel terrible (I never touch salt normally). Its been very interesting seeing the different issues re grass fed & availability for different dairy foods between US & UK.

                Just out of curiosity can you buy raw dairy of the shelf in the US? Here you can only by it direct from certified farms which makes it pretty impossible unless you happen to be living near one, which unfortunately I am not.

                Have also re aligned my menus so the fat to protein intake is approx 2:1 for each meal, rather than catching up on the fat in the evening. Have no idea if this will make any difference as I am so new to this but it seems like a good idea.

                I also assume its better to have fat from a range of sources over the course of a day (eg butter, EVOO, Mac Nuts, CO) rather than just one (butter or CO). Is this a reasonable assumption or doesn't matter?
                Last edited by Ddraig Goch; 02-05-2013, 09:19 AM. Reason: spelling

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                • Originally posted by ez2cy View Post
                  Thanks for your reply. I know what my doctor would say, so I'll save my breath. I'm taking 20mg of Citalopram, once a day. Net says it has a 1/2 life of 35 hours, so I guess a week and I'd be clear of it.

                  Not trying to pry but did the 5HTP help your situation ie take the place of the meds?
                  Another post that got buried!! Ugh.

                  I was taking Lexapro (generic) and went through withdrawal for 6 straight weeks at a minimum. It seemed like forever. For me, withdrawals came as brain zaps (felt like an electrical pulse in my brain that shot down my extremities). I'd feel these if I missed a dose of the lexapro, so I was fully prepared to deal with them when I stopped taking it... but I did not expect it to last so long. Oy!
                  Primal since March 5, 2012
                  SW: 221 | CW: 204 | LPW: 166 | UGW: 140 (80 lbs loss)



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                  • WOW.. just caught up.

                    Welcome New members!! All are welcome here

                    Update on me.. 8 days clean, today is number 9. My thinking is cloudy though because this darn headache WONT LEAVE. I have had to turn off some lights in my classroom so I can function. The additional bump on the head last night is not improving my situation. I never hit my head.. why am I so dang clumsy now?? Anyway, my number on MFP have been spot on. I am just waiting to feel amazing. I expect it will happen when the headache goes away!
                    Karin


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                    • Jenn, my goal weight is 195 lbs. Also, I did the equation to figure out how many cals per day I needed. 3311 cals is 20% of the 4553 cals to maintain my current weight.
                      Last edited by Tee; 02-05-2013, 09:25 AM.

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                      • Originally posted by Ddraig Goch View Post
                        To answer my own question re unsalted kerrygold butter. Apparently it has been discontinued in the UK & president butter is not grass fed.However, Rachel's Organic butter is the closest thing we can get (our dreadful weather makes it nearly impossible for cows to be pastured all year round) & luckily Waitrose has it on offer. So glad I have found it, 2 days on 40g of salted butter has been making me feel terrible (I never touch salt normally). Its been very interesting seeing the different issues re grass fed & availability for different dairy foods between US & UK.

                        Just out of curiosity can you buy raw dairy of the shelf in the US? Here you can only by it direct from certified farms which makes it pretty impossible unless you happen to be living near one, which unfortunately I am not.

                        Have also re aligned my menus so the fat to protein intake is approx 2:1 for each meal, rather than catching up on the fat in the evening. Have no idea if this will make any difference as I am so new to this but it seems like a good idea.

                        I also assume its better to have fat from a range of sources over the course of a day (eg butter, EVOO, Mac Nuts, CO) rather than just one (butter or CO). Is this a reasonable assumption or doesn't matter?
                        I live in the Midwest in the States (Iowa) where we have 4 months a year where it is yucky cold out. We have grass-fed exclusively farms in Iowa that make it work. If the farms in your area are saying it's impossible, it's b/c they don't want the hassle. The farm in Iowa that I am referencing has fields that are exclusively used to only grow grass to be harvested for the winter months. They grow it, cut it, bale it and store it for winter. Other farms tell me it's not possible to not supplement grain in the winter, but if this one farm can do it, why can't they all? They simply don't want to... that being said, I don't buy grass-fed meats as our budget doesn't allow, but I have done my shopping and know where I'd buy it if I could.

                        It's funny to me that you can't get unsalted KG in the UK. It's produced in Ireland!! Way closer for you to get it from Ireland than it is to ship it to the states, isn't it??
                        Primal since March 5, 2012
                        SW: 221 | CW: 204 | LPW: 166 | UGW: 140 (80 lbs loss)



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                        • Originally posted by Tee View Post
                          Hey Gang, just ran across this thread and I hope you'll all except a guy joining you.
                          According to the information I have gained reading this thread, at my current weight,
                          I should be consuming 3311 cals per day.
                          Yes I weigh a lot for now. My question is how much fat should I be consuming a day?
                          Thank you and I look forward to day day I can tell you I reached my beach body weight.
                          Which I haven't seen since Jimmy Carter was in office.
                          Welcome. We have at least 5 men that frequent the thread.

                          257g of fat is 70% of those calories.
                          Primal since 9/24/2010
                          "Our greatest foes, and whom we must chiefly combat, are within." Miguel de Cervantes

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                          • Originally posted by Tee View Post
                            Jenn, my goal weight is 195 lbs. Also, I did the equation to figure out how many cals per day I needed. 3311 cals is 20% of the 4553 cals to maintain my current weight.
                            So, using this goal weight, that would be 88.5 kg

                            1/2 of that is 44 gm carbs.
                            1.1x that would be approximately 94 gm protein.
                            2x protein would be 187 gm fat.

                            44 gm carbs * 4 calories per carb = 176 calories from carbs
                            94 * 4 = 376 calories from protein
                            187 * 9 = 1683 calories from fat

                            Add those up: 2235 is what you should shoot for for calories to reach 195 lbs.

                            Macros will equal:

                            Carbs: 44 gm, 7.9%
                            Protein: 94 gm, 16.8%
                            Fat: 187 gm, 75.3%
                            Primal since March 5, 2012
                            SW: 221 | CW: 204 | LPW: 166 | UGW: 140 (80 lbs loss)



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                            • Thanks Pebbles. Just so I'm correct, 70% from fat, 25% from protein and 5% from carbs?

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                              • Originally posted by Pebbles67 View Post
                                Welcome. We have at least 5 men that frequent the thread.

                                257g of fat is 70% of those calories.
                                Originally posted by jenn26point2 View Post
                                So, using this goal weight, that would be 88.5 kg

                                1/2 of that is 44 gm carbs.
                                1.1x that would be approximately 94 gm protein.
                                2x protein would be 187 gm fat.

                                44 gm carbs * 4 calories per carb = 176 calories from carbs
                                94 * 4 = 376 calories from protein
                                187 * 9 = 1683 calories from fat

                                Add those up: 2235 is what you should shoot for for calories to reach 195 lbs.

                                Macros will equal:

                                Carbs: 44 gm, 7.9%
                                Protein: 94 gm, 16.8%
                                Fat: 187 gm, 75.3%
                                Paula, since he used the BMR calculation to determine his calorie goal, and I used the HSIS method, which is right for him? We got different calories goals.
                                Primal since March 5, 2012
                                SW: 221 | CW: 204 | LPW: 166 | UGW: 140 (80 lbs loss)



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