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  • Originally posted by Pebbles67 View Post
    ***I still advise newbies to start with the calorie level that comes with the formula in the first post of this thread, then lower calories later if needed..
    I absolutely agree with you that the formula you give in the first post is the one newbies should start with and work from there.

    I only posted to show O2k we are all different & what works for some doesn’t necessarily work for others. (I think we are singing from the. same hymn sheet here)

    What I love about this thread is the freedom we all have to work on our own n=1.

    Once again I am so grateful to you for starting it & your continued advice & support

    Re the BMR: I wish I had a go wear fit device, I've heard they are very good - I'm having to do it through informative trial & error
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    • for me, my BMR almost always is the same using various calculations, it is when I start working in the activity level that messes me up. So I just try to make sure I stay below BMR but not too far below and figure it will work itself out.

      I am totally with Pebbles regarding the eat when you are hungry situation. If I was any good at that I would not be here trying to lose weight. I also think that long before your body starts to eat its own muscle, you get into serious cravings and binge eating.

      Anyone ever read this study?....They Starved So That Others Be Better Fed: Remembering Ancel Keys and the Minnesota Experiment I read the book and I will tell you that it is amazing what the human body will do to try to get the nutrition it needs.
      Chris
      "Life isn't about waiting for the storm to pass. It is about learning to dance in the rain."
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      My "Program": doing my version of a 4:3 - 3 day fast diet with real food every day, with a little twist of anti-inflammatory mixed in.

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      • Started this week at 195 (Monday)... down to 192 this morning (Wednesday). I'm glad to be shedding the water weight.
        Primal since March 5, 2012
        SW: 221 | CW: 204 | LPW: 166 | UGW: 140 (80 lbs loss)



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        • for those struggling.. this was good

          What if lack of willpower is not a character flaw but a system failure?
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          • Good morning all!

            Originally posted by BklynGirl View Post
            Oh and I promised myself a while ago I would buy a Grok On tee shirt from the website once I could do 3 real push-ups, so it looks like I'm almost there!
            Great job! I love your reward to yourself!

            Originally posted by Ddraig Goch View Post
            Today I hit another mini goal. My BIA monitor indicated my BF% was 39.6 so now I only have excess body fat. Lol.
            Woohoo!!!!

            Originally posted by jenn26point2 View Post
            Started this week at 195 (Monday)... down to 192 this morning (Wednesday). I'm glad to be shedding the water weight.
            Another woohoo!!!

            Originally posted by athomeontherange View Post
            That IS good.

            A couple of years ago I read "The Beck Diet Solution" (which actually wasn't a diet though she has another book with one), and one of the things that she went over were some "tools" that developed the ability to say no. One of those tools was preplanning. One of the other things she advocated was to eat only when you are hungry and then only enough to satisfy the hunger. I lost a lot of weight following those two rules and using some of the exercises to develop the will power.

            For me, the first bite is the key. If I take that first bite, I open myself up to eating the whole thing. I've never had a good "stop" mechanism, but I have a good avoid mechanism, lol. So, a good example is my desk at work. I have my ledge completely stocked with a few small bowls of chocolate candy. People ask me all the time how I can sit with that there and not eat it. The key is always the first one. I can sit here all day and not think about the candy, but if I eat one of them, I'll eat 10. I can even look straight at the candy and not want it, until I eat one.

            And, that reminds me that I had a huge small victory (lol) yesterday when someone put an open box of See's candy in the lunchroom. I did look at it, and to my dismay, my all time favorite See's candy (coconut) was there. I thought about eating it--it was only 1 piece, but didn't. YAY!
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            • Originally posted by 252dlp View Post
              Good morning all!



              For me, the first bite is the key. If I take that first bite, I open myself up to eating the whole thing. I've never had a good "stop" mechanism, but I have a good avoid mechanism, lol. So, a good example is my desk at work. I have my ledge completely stocked with a few small bowls of chocolate candy. People ask me all the time how I can sit with that there and not eat it. The key is always the first one. I can sit here all day and not think about the candy, but if I eat one of them, I'll eat 10. I can even look straight at the candy and not want it, until I eat one.

              And, that reminds me that I had a huge small victory (lol) yesterday when someone put an open box of See's candy in the lunchroom. I did look at it, and to my dismay, my all time favorite See's candy (coconut) was there. I thought about eating it--it was only 1 piece, but didn't. YAY!


              Ahhh - coconut candy is my favorite, also. Congrats to you on resisting! Doesn't it feel good to exercise control like that? I also struggle with a faulty "stop" mechanism! Eat one, then the craving for more sets in. So good for you!

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              • Originally posted by athomeontherange View Post
                I would agree that his strategies are a program for success. But where I differ is I think the very concept of willpower represents system failure.

                What he did was basically to cut willpower out of the picture entirely.

                What is the natural order of things? We get hungry, we find what we are hungry for, we eat that, then we are no longer hungry. The idea that we would intentionally go out hungry and while so resist eating for an extended period of time is not part of our natural program. Eliminating between-meal desire to eat means no willpower is even necessary to stay on course, as so many of us have found.

                We are surrounded by people who have an interest in making sure we believe that it is about willpower, because people who believe it's about willpower will continue failing and rewarding companies that surround us with junk food and fast food, yet they will keep blaming themselves for not having willpower, for being "emotional eaters", etc.

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                • I find that when my body "needs" something, all the willpower in the world will not stop the binge. By the same token, if I am getting everything I need, then my willpower is stronger. So how much is nutritional and how much psychological?
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                  • excellant points made. I am loving this discussion. I have to rethink the whole willpower role in my life. I can relate with if I eat 1, I am doomed to eat 10+. My stop mechanism has been broken for a long time, hence why I am here. I have a lot of "junk" in the house and as long as I do not have a taste or a nibble, it can be there no problem (usually). This is a timely discussion as I will be heading home in another week or so on a break and will not be at-home-in-total-control-of-my-food etc. I am planning strategies for me to remain successful. I also remind myself that its not like there will not be a variety of food or that I can not get myself to the grocery store if need be. Old habits though...
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                    • Originally posted by Pebbles67 View Post
                      I find that when my body "needs" something, all the willpower in the world will not stop the binge. By the same token, if I am getting everything I need, then my willpower is stronger. So how much is nutritional and how much psychological?
                      Yes, I can also relate to this. And perhaps this very thing is why I was able to resist the See's yesterday. I wrote in my journal this morning that I am finally feeling a bit more energy. Not a lot, but more than I've had in the last 2 years. I feel satisfied, but not too full or stuffed...just satisfied, and maybe that's why I was able to leave the See's.

                      I remember a few years ago...I had a HUGE craving for chocolate. At that time, it wasn't even about the sugar (which I think I might have a small addiction to), but I stared at my container of unsweetened cocoa powder for a long time wondering if I could get a spoonful down, lol. I finally did mix it with something, but the urge to eat that was strong. What could be in cocoa powder that my body would need? I asked a few people that, including my doctor and someone (not sure it was my doctor) said it might be a magnesium deficiency. Don't know if that is true, but I did start taking some magnesium and thereafter my cravings were mostly for sweets. Could all be in my mind though, lol.
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                      • bouillion & broth - same or different?

                        Some earlier posts prompted me to re-read Pebble's posts at the beginning of this thread. The second one says "Best Advice: Drink the bouillion"...
                        Now, I am wondering if I am confusing bouillion with the bone broth I just started making.
                        Forgive me if this sounds dumb, but are these more or less the same or two different things? And for two different purposes or same?
                        If I can just use a good tasting bouillion cube in a cup of hot water, I think I will do that instead of making the broth, once this batch is gone. Since the bones weren't free or very cheap (they were from a local free-range rancher), I think I'd rather buy and give the raw beef bones to my dog, as I eventually want to start her on a raw diet.
                        While I'm at it, we're drinking it for the sodium, right? I'm thinking of Pebbles' post 2086 and GeoStump's post 2090 (actually you don't say it's the sodium exactly).
                        Thanks!
                        "Just give me all the bacon and eggs you have. Wait, wait. I'm worried what you just heard was, 'Give me a lot of bacon and eggs.' What I said was, 'Give me all the bacon and eggs you have'. Do you understand?" - Ron Swanson

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                        • Originally posted by athomeontherange View Post
                          I have a lot of "junk" in the house and as long as I do not have a taste or a nibble, it can be there no problem (usually).
                          Same here. I tend to be just fine with a box of cookies on the counter, but as soon as my hand touches one, I'm a goner.
                          Primal since March 5, 2012
                          SW: 221 | CW: 204 | LPW: 166 | UGW: 140 (80 lbs loss)



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                          • Originally posted by desertcreature View Post
                            Some earlier posts prompted me to re-read Pebble's posts at the beginning of this thread. The second one says "Best Advice: Drink the bouillion"...
                            Now, I am wondering if I am confusing bouillion with the bone broth I just started making.
                            Forgive me if this sounds dumb, but are these more or less the same or two different things? And for two different purposes or same?
                            If I can just use a good tasting bouillion cube in a cup of hot water, I think I will do that instead of making the broth, once this batch is gone. Since the bones weren't free or very cheap (they were from a local free-range rancher), I think I'd rather buy and give the raw beef bones to my dog, as I eventually want to start her on a raw diet.
                            While I'm at it, we're drinking it for the sodium, right? I'm thinking of Pebbles' post 2086 and GeoStump's post 2090 (actually you don't say it's the sodium exactly).
                            Thanks!
                            Two different things. Bouillon is usually a powedered "just add water" broth. it contains a ton of sodium which helps us replenish our electrolytes. Many of us haven't seen improvements using bone broth, where as we have felt better after drinking the bouillon. There are questionable ingredients in bouillon and it's most certainly not primal, but Dr. Attia lives a Paleo Keto lifestyle and he endorses it, so we go with it b/c it helps.
                            Primal since March 5, 2012
                            SW: 221 | CW: 204 | LPW: 166 | UGW: 140 (80 lbs loss)



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                            • RE: the bone broth vs. bouillon. I use bone broth with salt added. I add salt to my food. I, so far, do not have the issues that suggest I need the bouillon. I am going to do the broth, because, well to me, home made is better than store bought when it is reasonable for me to do it. Now, given Pebbles success with the bouillon though I may have to give it a try. In which case I will likely just add a cube to my broth which I salt in the glass and not when I am cooking it, so I would, obviously, just not salt it.
                              Chris
                              "Life isn't about waiting for the storm to pass. It is about learning to dance in the rain."
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                              My "Program": doing my version of a 4:3 - 3 day fast diet with real food every day, with a little twist of anti-inflammatory mixed in.

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                              • Hi desert creature, the problem with bone broth that you have to salt the heck out of it to

                                get the same sodium level as 1 little cube of bouillon. The tiny amount of MSG etc. in the two

                                cubes a day that I use just does not outweigh the convenience factor for me.

                                BTW I have felt the best I have since starting EMF, since I upped to 2 cubes three days ago.
                                Last edited by Pebbles67; 03-06-2013, 03:03 PM.
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